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To: Eddy Blinker who wrote (210)	9/15/2001 6:33:18 PM
From: Frederick Langford	Respond to of 505

Bin Laden does however have the hearts and backing of the Palestinians. Fred

To: Eddy Blinker who wrote (210)	9/15/2001 11:17:07 PM
From: Moominoid	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 505

I'm not sure what I said to prompt all that, but actually I agree with a lot of it. There are lots of people prepared to commit violence against American and Western targets (such as Saddam as you mention) and your single previous suggestion to solve the situation in Israel/Palestine in the way you stated wouldn't stop them. I too am concerned with possible military over-reaction on the part of the US and NATO escalating the conflict further. Maybe the best solution is for the US to give the Taliban a billion dollars in aid to rebuild their country and throw out Bin-Laden's supporters in return for which they hand Bin_Laden to the Muslim Pakistanis or Saudis who put him on trial and execute or jail him. Probably that wouldn't work either.... as he is a personal friend of soem of them (but he was a friend of the Northern Alliance people and fell out with them). Air Force One was never a target. It probably wasn't but until the nature of the surprise attack becomes clearer they don't know if someone is sitting in the Virginia or Maryland countryside with a ground to air missile waiting. So on the whole I agree a lot with your sentiments in this post. David

To: Eddy Blinker who wrote (210)	9/15/2001 11:46:16 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 505

>>Air Force One was never a target.<< How do you know that with such certainty? TIA The fact is you don't know for certain, do you... you only want to advance your political agenda against Bush..... GZ

To: Eddy Blinker who wrote (210)	9/17/2001 2:30:31 PM
From: Bill Jackson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 505

ED, It takes 15 milligrams of nerve gas to kill the average person. 1 cubic centimeter is 20 standard drops and so each drop is 50 milligrams, so 1 drop is enough is delivered at one time to kill just over 3 people. If you take the average room that is 10M x 10M x 3M(m == meters = 39 inches) feet high and want enough nerve gas to make the room lethal for a single breath of 6 liters that means you need about 2.5 milligrams per liter in that air. That room holes 10 x 10 x 3 = 300 cubic meters or 300,000 liters. times 2.5 Milligrams/liter =750 grams or about 1.5 pounds. That is very toxic, but not nearly as toxic as snake venom or botilinum toxin. So why not use snake venom or botulinum toxin?? Nerve gas is cheap and easy to make. Those other toxins are very hard to make in volume. Now if you want a room lethal in 10 breath= 75 grams. in 100 breaths= 7.5 grams but that may be subletahl as the body regenerates the blocked nerve site and as you drom beloe a cetian concentration it is no longer toxic. Now a moving wall of gas 1000 meters wide and 50 meters deep and 100 meters thick is 5,000,000 cubic meters or 500,000,000 liters x 2.5 miligrams = 1,250, kilograms or around 2500 pounds, so it takes a fair whack of nerve gas to make a laarge area letahl. That is why they make it in large shells that hold 250 pounds. In the air it dissipates rapidly by dilution. Mustard gas sticks to the ground as well as ll objects and is a blistering agent. touch it and your skin falls off. Breath it and the lining of your lungs falles off, but it is easy to protect againt, as is nerve had. Just a gas mask and plastic suit protect against both. A sweaty set of clothes as you are in a non vented place. Bill Bill