To: TobagoJack who wrote (9409 ) 9/16/2001 3:35:41 AM From: Maurice Winn Respond to of 74559 Jay, on gold 'manipulation', didn't the British just drop 20 tons of gold on the market last week? I personally don't see that as manipulation in that dropping 20 tons of gold is like hiding an elephant in a china store. Because gold still does form part of money management by countries, they will fiddle with the supply of it to help maintain the fiat currencies in equilibrium. They have got quite a lot of gold they can sell. For a long time, that seems to have been the plan. There is, as you say, definitely a sense of unreality to events. That's because life is not a rehearsal and human affairs have reached a kind of crescendo after centuries and millennia of agricultural 'bliss' and relatively stable populations and technology. Of course there was no bliss with murder, disease, war and mayhem being regular participants in daily life. But the world had a knowable aspect to it. Our evolutionary history and social development have not prepared us for 'just is' as we find it now. We don't know where we're going, but we're on our way. I remain optimistic and even enthusiastic. Let's step on the gas pedal! Here is your Moslem Jihad hero, whose behaviour the Saudis would not like: <At first the young bin Laden broke most of the Moslem religion's strict laws. Reeve writes: "Those who knew him when he was in Beirut after he left school in 1973 all said the same thing. He was a binge-drinker and a serial womaniser. "Sources talk of him being involved in at least three drunken fights after disputes over attractive women, including bargirls, dancers and even one believed to be a prostitute." But bin Laden grew bored with his wild life and wed a distant Syrian relative in a ceremony arranged by his family. He now has three wives and 15 children. By the time he was 22, bin Laden was one of thousands of young Moslems drawn to Afghanistan to fight the Russians. It was this war that transformed him into a hard-line Islamic fundamentalist. > What's he doing? Trying to find absolution by fighting viciously on the side of what he now thinks is good. It's as though he thinks he can kill off his evil self by killing somebody else who he sees as promoting that same evil self. He is a self-loathing power-seeking person who will kill himself, either at the hand of those he attacks or by his own hand to avoid capture and confrontation. His hijacking suicide team are the same sort of degenerate people trying to assuage their guilt and rejection by others, unsuccessfully by the look of it with their lusty boozing in the sin pits of freedom where a person must run their own lives; where they must themselves choose life over death by avoiding the temptations which lead to self-destruction, without a mullah ordering them around like ignorant children. These are not your average Moslem, though there are a lot of them out of the billion Moslems around the world. I suspect these soldiers are not actually as keen on being suicide hijackers as is made out. I suspect there is not actually a heck of a lot of choice for them. I imagine Saddam says "We need 100 volunteer suicide bombers to become martyrs and heroes. I will pay $1 million to your family, starting from when you start training. You, you, you and you look suitable. The rest of you get lost." What are these 'volunteers' supposed to do next? Hide? Not too good for their families if they hide. Not only would the family not get a lifetime of relative wealth, but they'd likely be not long for this world. Anyway, where would they hide? And besides, just as with the excited volunteers for the poppy fields of Flanders, signing up is almost exciting and fighting for something great and good is always popular. I guess those who succeeded in their missions got bonus payments for their families and those who didn't carry out the hijacking [at least one plane it seems] will presumably not have such a good life and nor will their families. It's not surprising that in the flesh pots and bars of sin city, they take a few nights off during flying training for some last minute unIslamic fun. Do Moslems really look on such behaviour as heroic? The best weapon remains to show the unIslamic lives of these Jihad Moslems. The worst weapon is to commit crimes against humanity in retaliation. Such a final solution is no solution. It's been tried before. Milosevic is currently in prison awaiting trial for just such actions. George Bush and Condoleezza Rice and co wouldn't want to be up before the Nuremberg judges or the judges in Den Hague. Here is my final solution:Message 16354336 Mqurice