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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (122301)	9/16/2001 2:24:15 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 436258

nadine, in no way am i defending terrorists no matter their cause. it appears that i have to give 100% ideological support to one side or i'm fighting for the other. both sides could act a lot better - but it is a tough situation b/c there is so much hate on both sides that reasonable and rational doesn't lead the way. both sides are too quick to dehumanize the other side, thereby making them easier to kill. wrt jerusalem not being in israel, point taken. however, when all was said and done, israel still gained a lot. i put forward that some group lost and equal amount. and they are mad. if the loss was no big deal then israel would have no problem losing the same thing. but they will fight to the death to keep it. unfortunately, so will the other side. they are human beings, like you and myself, who have been put in bad circumstances. bad leaders, bad religious interpretation, long history of bad blood, land taken from them their control... and we have the situation now. 11/2000 200 dead - mostly palestinian guardian.co.uk 3/2001 380 palestinians dead 62 israeli jews 13 israeli arabs electronicintifada.net jordanembassyus.org i hate to use electronicintifada as a source, however, the issue isn't the source, it is the data. if you believe the data to be wrong, let me knowand i'll research further. i do recall watching news during that time where this issue was brought up. no date 35 israelis 280 palestinians usc.edu the fact is the numbers are lopsided and you have to cherry pick dates. israel has more firepower and uses it to take more lives. this is a fact. both sides feel justified. you killed a jewish soldier, we'll kill 10 of you in retaliation. the jews killed 10 palestinians so now we'll car bomb the jews here. and on and on... un notes (ps - doesn't expound on israel's halo effect)... domino.un.org!OpenDocument 17 dead in the disco you mentioned. still MANY, MANY more palestinians have died at the hands of israelis than israelis at the hands of palestinians this year. and last year. i bet the year before, too... and the year before... and the year before... maybe i'm wrong on a year or two, but i really doubt it. jpost.com here is an israeli lady's perspective who lived on the west bank... mediamonitors.net you see, nadine, the facts tell me it is a tight circle of violence. each act of violence is due to a prior act of violence by the other party - all the way back to thousands of years ago. and on and on... i could go on, but i'll let the numbers speak for themselves. btw, you still haven't answered whether you would be happy leaving your home so a native american could take it over with all your neighbors' approval. hey, but the native american is being nice and will let you picnic on a piece of what was your front front yard. see how willing they are to negotiate? i think the analogy is pretty darn good, however, you now have to put on different shoes and a simple situation turns quite complex. please do answer how you would feel. i would be angry, myself. oh, and here is a list of who the palestinians consider terrorists on the israeli side... will you condemn their actions, too? electronicintifada.net