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To: energyplay who wrote (9569)	9/17/2001 2:31:11 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

When Castro took over Cuba, the US feared that Castro wanted to export his revolution. The US started supporting any anti-democratic dictator who would say he was anti-communist. Latin America endured decades of oppressive regimes supported by the US. And the policy of the US were directed by the bureaucracies that didn't go away after WWII. Governments democratically elected were toppled with the support from the US. Allende for instance. Oligarchs and plutocrats ruled Latin American countries supported by the US. It was so plainly wrong that Philip Agee defected the CIA and wrote a book exposing CIA covert operations. I was against the US and its policy in Latin America regardless as today I don't support violence as a means to solve political problems. But when the plane touched Cuba I liked that. Sweden was receiving the prisoners. And You don't call Sweden a country that condones terrorism. The Cold War ended I was very happy. Not for the countries that were out of communism. But because the Cold Warriors would lose their jobs. This was the first ambassador to have been kidnapped for exchange for political prisoners. "Charles Burke Elbrick, would be kidnapped by guerrillas from the October 8 Revolutionary Movement (MR-8) in September 1969. After the military government agreed to release 15 political prisoners and fly them to sanctuary in Mexico, the kidnappers released Elbrick physically unharmed (although emotionally scarred by his ordeal)." The Japanese, the Swiss ambassadors followed. 1966 September 26 El Condor nationalists hijack Argentine aircraft from Buenos Aires to British occupied Falklands in a bid to bring attention to Argentina's claim to the islands. They eventually surrendered their hostages and were returned to Argentina by the British authorities. That's the first I have recorded. After this one many more followed. The Arab nations didn't start terrorism today. It started as a fight against the French in Algeria. I don't think many people would defend the French presence in Algeria.

To: energyplay who wrote (9569)	9/17/2001 2:34:36 AM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Even Americans were against what the US was doing in Latin America. INTERVIEW WITH PHILIP AGEE SR: Looking back at all of the harassment you faced when you exposed the covert operations, do you think you would do it all over again? PA: I wouldn't think twice about doing it over again. Of course I would. The most important thing is to be honest with yourself. I went into the CIA right out of college as a product of the 1950's. Which means the Mccarthy period and the anti-communist hysteria of that time. It also meant that I had no political education. I simple accepted the traditional assumptions that the soviet union was out to conquer the world and I was going to play a patriotic role in stopping that. By age 25 I was down in South America doing the work. My eyes began to open little by little down there as I began to realize more and more that all of the things that I, and my colleagues were doing in the CIA had one goal that was that we were supporting the traditional power structures in Latin America. These power structures had been in place for centuries. Where in a relative few families where able to control the wealth and income and power of the state and the economy. To the exclusion of the majority of the population in many countries. The only glue that kept this system together was political repression. I was involved in this. Eventually I decided I didn't want anything more to do with that. I left the CIA to start a new life in 1969 I went back to the university. I enrolled in the National University of Mexico in Mexico City, where I remained living after resigning from the CIA. As I carried out the studies, doing the reading and the research and writing papers and such, I began to realize more and more that what I and my colleagues had been doing in the 60's and 50's was nothing more than a continuation of early 500 years of genocide of the worst imaginable political repression that anyone can come up with. The figures are mind blowing in terms of the numbers of Native Americans who were killed or put to work in South America in what is now Bolivia and Brazil. Where their life expectancy was measured in weeks and months once they went to work in these places. Or in North America as well. So I then began to think at that time about something that was unthinkable: a book about how it all worked. No one had ever written such a book and I had a pretty wide experience in CIA operations in Latin America and I knew many operations that existed around the world as well. So I decided to write a book about it.. I had to make a decision whether to continue these studies or to write this book and I couldn't find the research material for this book in Mexico City. I wanted to reconstruct events to show our hand in the events. So I had to choose between the 2 and I chose to write the book. Not knowing whether it would ever get written or where it would take me. As to whether I would do it over again. I wouldn't change a thing. I might be a little more discreet and careful here and there. Not quite so flamboyant in some places. I would certainly not change anything. I would encourage people also to look at their own lives and determine what role they or going to play. Whether they are going to go with the flow. Whether they are going to adopt the proposition that you have to go along to get along. Or whether they want to stand back and take a look and join this long and honorable tradition of dissidence in the United States. This goes back to the early opposition to the Constitution, the abolitionist movement of the 1840's and 50's. Which goes back to the opposition of wars: the Spanish- American War in 1898, to world war 1 and 2, to the Vietnam war and the Korean war. There is a long and respectable tradition in the United States of seeking change and social justice. I can assure anyone that reads this interview that they will never be disappointed if they try to help in this respect. If they decide to, besides profession and family, that they will work politically for change. That they will have great self esteem and satisfaction from knowing that they are doing the right thing and that they are not selling out. INTERVIEW WITH PHILIP AGEE. He defected the CIA and exposed the US covert operations in Latin America. math.utk.edu

To: energyplay who wrote (9569)	9/17/2001 2:45:56 AM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Does any US citizen think Latin-Americans are anti-US? The ones with a sane mind not. We are winning the "war". Already took Florida by pacific means and the Mexicans are getting back their territories by setting up shop and interbreeding with the Gringos. Even our plot to undermine the US society by making they play soccer is proving very successful! Working throught the women and then get them to persuade the men. Slowly we are getting there. No president can get te White House without speaking a little Spanish for the crowd. Gotta get a slick guy called Gonzales as Vice one of these days. But there was a wave of anti-US feeling in Latin America because the US bureaucracies that didn't go away after WWII were not sacked and kept manufacturing scenarios to justify their budgets. Today the US has to do way with the bureaucracies that fought the Cold War. Those bureaucrats are dangerous. They have to be sacked not to manufacture terrorists, results of their own actions.