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To: marginmike who wrote (122720)	9/17/2001 11:08:49 AM
From: Nick	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

What should be do with China? Surely, we can't overlook Chinese complicity in the development of the "Islamic Bomb" by Pakistan, and also some support to the taliban.

To: marginmike who wrote (122720)	9/17/2001 11:09:29 AM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

The report about Germany came from a Pakistani news source, so I suppose its veracity can be questioned. However, I can see lots of "allies" backtracking on support after they see what is involved. A lot of the support, I think, was knee jerk reaction in sympathy to the death and devastation. Now that it is time to put up or shut up, the political considerations are being weighed. Do we help the US even if it means that we now will face an increased terrorist threat? If we act meekly, what can the US do to us [not much]? How will the next election go if we have body bags full of German soldiers on TV?

To: marginmike who wrote (122720)	9/17/2001 11:11:04 AM
From: kvkkc1	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

I agree with you about the French, but the Germans are a different story. They are great partners with our military. The thing you have to realize about much of Europe, old enough to remember WWII, is that they feel about Germany the same way we feel about Bin Laden. They would be happy if Germany had no forces. Time takes a long time to heal those wounds. We have many bases and troops in Germany. Think about it.knc

To: marginmike who wrote (122720)	9/17/2001 11:22:24 AM
From: peppe51	Respond to of 436258

Amazing that these countries are being offered the opportunity (of world opinion) to rid themselves of terrorists and are now cowering because they are afraid of being targeted for future attacks. It wouldn't surprise me if the same kind of talk starts emanating from the US from the liberal establishment soon. They have been lying low for the moment due to the public outrage, but I am already starting to hear how impossible it is for the US to target terrorism, how we should not provoke others etc..... Notice also how the Taliban is becoming emboldened by the reactions in Arab countries- they have issued threats against anyone who aids the US. Even Bin Laden has stepped up to deny his involvement in the attack! Obviously they know how to exploit the weaknesses of the West.

To: marginmike who wrote (122720)	9/17/2001 11:34:29 AM
From: PMG	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

you have to take into account that we were all raised here under "no war never ever again". After two world wars many Germans got the message that violence will only create more violence. It is really a problem that the US uses the term "war" right now. When THE superpower of the world has "America's new war" on CNN, which is watched all over the world, everybody here is just in FEAR. That the world could be led into complete destruction, by war or civil/religoius wars, by the force of an unleashed giant America where nobody can escape anymore. The fear is that our efforts for tolerance e.g. with the 3mln Turkish who live here and are absolutely innocent though they are Muslims may be rendered in vain because the levels of fear might just rise too high, so that violence will occure and cause more violence so that our country and the peace we love will be destroyed. Btw, the Allies were the ones who brought us that wonderful peace, so that it seems simply wrong for the vast majority here to give it up because of extremist terror that can be fought in many very appropriate ways different from gross destruction. And of course, there has not been ANY statement from a German politician saying that we will not fulfill our Nato duties. But the Nato treaty does also say that moves will be DISCUSSED among Nato partners. I hope that the US will at least be able to understand the feelings of their good European friends and allies...