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To: Joe NYC who wrote (143705)	9/18/2001 2:21:04 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Jozef, I think there may be very little civilian damage. I think we will go after the government first and not try to get OBL right away. First off finding him may be too difficult at this time and secondly, it'll send a clear message to other governments in other countries to expell terrorists or they'll be next. Look for kidnappings and firefights by special forces concentrating on the government and not the military. EP

To: Joe NYC who wrote (143705)	9/18/2001 2:32:22 PM
From: fingolfen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Joe, I think you're missing something here. The U.S. army never did drive the Germans out of Italy in WW2. The terrain was terrible for large scale operations. Afghanistan is worse. It may be more akin to the Japanese held island fortresses, except it's much, much bigger. Remember, we bombed at hit those islands with everything we had at the time (including shells from 14"+ guns, some as high as 16"), and the Japanese were completely undeterred. You state: "If we take the flat land and the cities (as the Russians did), we can just wait them out. The country is starving as it is. The combatants can't last too long in the mountains without food. All the neighboring countries are shutting their borders (mainly to refugees), but if the borders can be shut to supplies from outside, our chance would improve further. We can wait the whole winter." I disagree. It can't work. Not the way you suggest. Allow me to quote a passage from a recent interview from General Wesley Clark, cnn.com "CHAT PARTICIPANT: What kind of lessons can we learn from the Russian conflict with Afghanistan? "CLARK: The Russians attempted to occupy the major cities, mistakenly believing that control of the cities would give them control of the countryside. It became clear that they could control neither the cities nor the countryside." The General seems to disagree with you as well. Attacking Afghanistan conventionally will accomplish exactly one thing: diminish world support for the U.S.'s fight against terrorism. This war is going to need to be strictly black ops and support of the Northern Alliance as far as any action in Afghanistan proper.