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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Teresa Lo who wrote (3888)	9/18/2001 3:35:41 PM
From: joseph krinsky	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

fwiw sometimes when I post to you, it's because I would like to just post to the thread, but si doesn't have a "new post" feature. you started the thread, and so I am using you in leu of that feature. it's hard on you I guess, but I don't know how else to do it. (I'd post to myself, but I don't read "oh, that jerk's" posts either, LOL LOL LOL)

To: Teresa Lo who wrote (3888)	9/18/2001 3:49:26 PM
From: MSI	Respond to of 27666

True. Hawken said in 1990 that by 2003 he predicted over ONE BILLION underemployed young men in the world, prime candidates for what we are seeing. (It ain't the old people, children, or young women). His imperative was: "figure out how to create jobs as fast as we possibly can", directly contrary to 150 years of the industrial and information age revolutions. We don't typically know how to do this. A worldwide Marshall Plan in combination with private enterprise is what we have been doing for the past 40 years. It's what the Taliban hate. Meanwhile, we have to correct the misimpression that it's ok to violently oppose the spreading of the industrial/information revolution. It would be interesting if some nation-state said "no thanks, stay out, leave us completely alone, don't call us we'll call you". Instead, as I understand it, the Taliban-types wish our removal from the entire mideast, and further, kind of want us dead where we stand. Strange, until you look at their thousand-year history of battles. No wonder they're third-world. One encouraging thing is the stock trading that went on prior to the attack. It shows they are engaging in finance and commerce, and to the extent they do, we can track them down , choke them off , and see their activities absorbed into mainstream, i.e., non-suicidal-violence. And into white-collar crime where they belong ...!!

To: Teresa Lo who wrote (3888)	9/18/2001 3:56:55 PM
From: chalu2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 27666

>>Sorry for the late response. I don't think the problem is about poverty. I think it has to do with the fact that a lot of people in this world - ghetto kids, refugees, etc. - have seen a lot of atrocities in their lives, and when you add to generations with no opportunity, education or anything to live for, they become prime candidates to believe those who are in power, getting them to join some kind of religous/gang brotherhood.<< Teresa, I agree. Unfortunately in wars many unwitting pawns are created, and they are programmed almost like robots to kill the perceived enemy. Should they die in the process, their survivors, having been deluded, will never understand that their own leaders have used them as cannon fodder. They will blame who they have been programmed to blame, and there is little we can do to change this in countries where there is no democracy, no free press, and a governmental need to scapegoat an enemy. I do not know a formula the US can use to bring the middle eastern dictatorships democracy and a free press. There are only two countries in that area of the world that hold free elections--Israel and(strangely) Iran. Irans' movement toward democracy (which we all hope will continue) has everything to do with the will of the Iranian people, and nothing to do with US policies, one way or the other. It has to come from the "grass roots."