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To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (395)	9/19/2001 2:16:50 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Jerusalem under international control, refugees compensated for not returning to proper Israel, settlements got to go, etc.). And who will compensate the nearly 1 million Oriental Jews who have been expelled from Arab countries over the past 50 years?? Does not the fact that Arab powers ordered Palestinians to flee their villages in 1948, while they conducted their war to destroy Israel.. And when they refused to make peace, those refugees were left in limbo, by both the Jews and Arabs. In fact, one could say that while the Jews took pains to integrate their Arab population into Israeli society, the Arabs left the Palestinians in their refugee camps. Secondly, since the Palestinian population is almost fully 30% dependant upon Israeli employers, and they they are a land-locked territory, it's VERY DIFFICULT to truly believe they can be a "viable state". They've had since 1993 to become a "viable state" economically. But because Arafat controls nearly the total financial infrastructure of the PA, there hasn't been much emphasis on economic development. It is VERY important to settle this issue about a Palestinian state. But it has to be accomplished in a manner that provides dignity and security to both sides. Thirdly, the idea of turning Jerusalem into an international city is probably the only answer, and I would agree with that. But it would require having all parties also agree to it... not just muslims and jews, but also christians and orthodox christians (the armenian quarter). Such a solution would have to be imposed from above by the UN. And the UN would be responsible for its security. Hawkmoon

To: George Papadopoulos who wrote (395)	9/21/2001 12:20:17 PM
From: jambo-bwana	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I fear that the terrorists have won - at least in the short run. They have shattered the symbols of our economic and military power with the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon. We all live in some measure of fear and wonder if there is another shoe to drop. The markets which were already under pressure have gone into a tail-spin since the attack wiping out a great deal of wealth for the average investor. We are seeing massive lay-offs in some sectors of the economy. Our much ballyhooed surplus has vaporized. We are facing the likelihood of a world-wide economic recession. If hostilities are prolonged - as is likely to be the case - we could see the destabilization of several countries in the Middle East with even more adverse long term consequences. Incidents have occurred in the US against Arabs and other Muslims and even against South Asians - particularly the Sikhs - that are deeply troubling. I heard today about a Northwest flight which refused to board three Arab men despite these individuals having passed all of the security screens because other passengers objected to flying with them. I would never have conceived that such a thing could happen in the US. A friend of mine said to me this morning that he saw a Muslim couple in a mall dressed in their traditional garb and he felt a sense of antipathy towards them. He felt that they were flaunting their Muslim heritage! I could not believe he would say such a thing given his background and political leanings. I dread to think what the back-lash would be if there should be some other major attack in the US. I hope in our effort to wipe out terrorism we do not lose the sense of fairness and the values that has made our country great and the envy of many people in other parts of the world. If that becomes the lasting legacy of this horrendous attack, then the terrorists will have succeeded beyond their wildest imagination.