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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (28398)	9/19/2001 3:16:31 PM
From: Constant Reader	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Jerry Falwell is a little man of no consequence whose thoughts are unworthy of repetition much less publication.

To: Neocon who wrote (28398)	9/19/2001 3:26:34 PM
From: E	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

God permits evil in the world, and it strikes both the just and the unjust... But God is Just... it stands to reason that our efforts to be good count when we ask for His aid.. . In the end, it has to be better to seek Him and His ways....... That mix is not impressive when it it subjected to your "it stands to reason" screen. He permits evil to strike the just, too, when he could not permit it? This is called being 'Just'? It stands to reason our efforts to be good count when asking for His aid, but not when he's deciding who gets struck by evil? It has to be 'better' to seek Him and His ways because... maybe he'll help at that point? As a sort of insurance policy, I guess. And he wants all that obeisance. He wants groveling from the sufferers he created, innocent and guilty alike, young children and the aged, beaten down, sick and dying alike. I don't like this picture and won't participate. But I lead a good life in so far as I am able, and if that's the screen rather than groveling, see you in heaven, dude.

To: Neocon who wrote (28398)	9/19/2001 9:36:45 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

it is wise to renounce our sins, insofar as possible, not only as individuals, but as a society. Does that mean we should stop being a secular society? Become a religious culture? Why not a theocracy? Go all the way. God permits evil in the world, and it strikes both the just and the unjust. So why be religious if you will be shat upon just as much as anyone else? And doesn't this sound like a justification of an observation? It is observed that everyone gets nailed by evil. There is a God. Therefore God permits it to strike both the just and unjust. Suspiciously convenient. And ex post facto. How can we beseech His help against evil if we perpetrate it ourselves? Apparently he doesn't care about evil. He nails us either way. So in terms of the fate of the nation why does it matter? And observation bears this out. Some of the most devout nations (Latin America, Mexico) definitely are not at the top of the heap economically, militarily, ...... But God is Just My definition of justice does NOT include smiteing the just foir doing no evil.