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To: Moominoid who wrote (9896)	9/19/2001 10:54:36 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki - all Americans are aware of this, as far as I can tell. It's part of the continuing national debate. Thus my observation, "but they don't learn about the Bataan Death March," or any of the really horrible atrocities inflicted upon US military, and civilians throughout Asia. Probably because Japan is an economic ally now, and to a lesser extent a cultural ally, so we don't harp on what they did to us. The Chinese and the Koreans are still really angry about Japanese atrocities, and US military who served in the Pacific and their families are still really angry, too. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are symbols for anti-war sentiment - because of the fear that nuclear weapons may be used in future warfare. Before the Cold War was over, US film and television regularly used images from these bombings, as a way of frightening us about the consequences of war. On US cable television, we have the History Channel, which has something about WWII on daily. The local Border's Books has literally hundreds of books about WWII. The information is available for anyone who cares to learn. Our own actions are presented in as cold and analytical a light as those of other countries. Not Hollywood at all. I don't know whether other countries have such a popular interest in history. A new series just started on HBO, "Band of Brothers," directed by Steven Spielberg, about the experiences of Easy Company during the Normandy Invasion. They've lost 55 men so far, and it's the third week. Based on a book by Stephen Ambrose, who was a professor of mine when I lived in New Orleans - he's a really great historian. It's quite realistic - limbs getting blown off, looking like hamburger meat with bones, the whole bit. Not dramatized, it just happens, out of the blue, just the way it does in real life. I took a class on the history of the Nazi Party this summer. The Jews who survived were glad that we bombed the factories and the munitions plants because it meant that they would not be worked to death - not that this was our goal, but that's the way it worked out. Every factory we bombed, every plant we bombed, got us a little bit closer to liberating the death camps. Every day that we delayed meant thousands more killed. Never forget. As your new friend might have explained, it wasn't just Jews, it was Gypsies, it was retarded German children, it was clinically insane German adults, it was homosexuals, it was Communists, it was Socialists, it was trade union organizers, it was modern artists, it was Polish Catholics, it was homosexuals, it was Russians, on and on and on. A vampire economy sucking the blood out of everything with enough blood to suck and killing everything that stood in its way.

To: Moominoid who wrote (9896)	9/20/2001 12:25:36 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Respond to of 74559

>>this Jewish professor who lived the entire war in Germany. << Klemperers is an old German family (of jewish background). You may know Otto Klemperer, the conductor etc. His (Viktor's) diaries are something to read. How it all starts. How it gets moving. How his Berlin friends and relatives are getting slowly decimated... It is a memorial to love - his wife stood to him through all the bad times -. The days of Dresden - he survived the last year of the war because of Dresden, he could namely take on a new identity. The first few months of freedom. Hunger... dj