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To: Moominoid who wrote (10097)	9/22/2001 10:19:54 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi David - I guess it's Sunday already where you are. It's Saturday night here, and I am reading about anthrax. I am rather miffed at myself because I can't find my big bottle of leftover doxycillin. It was a couple of years old, and I may have thrown it away. Anyway, that's what you take for anthrax. (I was taking it as a DMARD for rheumatoid arthritis - didn't do much.) If you get infected cutaneously or through ingestion, treatment is with antibiotics and the vaccine at the same time. Fatality rate is around 5-20% for untreated contact anthrax, and the antibiotics work pretty well (less than 1% fatality). But if you inhale it, it's almost always fatal. Apparently Iraq is really big on chemical and biological warfare weapons - that's one reason we keep bombing them, and one reason we don't get up close and personal. That's what "weapons of mass destruction" means. I suppose it could be considered mean to bomb people just because they like to stockpile chemical and biological warfare material. We could try giving peace a chance, right? "All we are saying, is give peace a chance." Clap together! Hey, I am already vaccinated against smallpox. Wonder if it still works? fas.org

To: Moominoid who wrote (10097)	9/23/2001 1:20:25 AM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Crusade means cross-ade. David you're using a definition from the 13th century, word usage has a way of developing. I bet if you look through the dictionary you can find many words with meanings quite different today then their original etymological roots or at least uses that are generalizations of some feature of their original meaning. What else can we take it to mean? Every time I hear that word it makes me shudder. David, today we have anti smoking crusades, crusades against animal cruelty, crusades against impaired driving, crusades against poverty, anti everything crusades and I doubt these make you shudder. Ralph Nader has often been called a crusader and he doesn't scare me. Here's a scary example (purposely facetious :o): King achieved a number of successes during the 1950s and 1960s for his crusade by combining peaceful mass action against racial discrimination --- taken from: geocities.com In our western culture, in our present point in history it definitely DOES NOT NECESSARILLY mean anything religious, the word is used in common parlance to denote a 'rigorous campaign'. Even though the US has "In God We Trust" written up on the wall in the Senate A lot less scary than members of the religious right holding the balance of power in the Israeli Kinesset as often happens. Less scary than religious leaders in Sudan or Afghanistan. making political decisions.... In primary school in England we had to learn about what great guys the crusaders were.. You're absolutely right about the Crusaders. Many if not most of them were brigands and some just dupes. I'm not defending them at all. They were not 'nice'. It was the same BS that Bin Laden is pulling off now. The Crusades were far more to do with worldly power and booty and rape and pillage and they weren't nice....And that is why the word is offensive to the Muslim world but on the other hand .... the radical Muslims in the ME throw the Holy War and fatwa around constantly and there is NO ambiguity there at all. I'm sure you've read the text of Bin Laden's fatwa ? ict.org.il Kill people for their own purposes and say it's God's will. The same would apply however, to the US dropping bombs from 30000 feet on Iraqi troops or firing cruise missiles at Bin-Laden. David, I was talking in context of WTC. Purposely planning to kill defenseless civilians trapped in vertical coffins is a 'little' different from your example don't you think ? On the other hand maybe Bush or whoever wrote the line for him if that is case was very careful to use that specific word. If it's insulting the perpetrators.....great. regards Kastel a cute and cuddly Canadian