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To: Tommy Moore who wrote (77165)	9/23/2001 10:47:16 AM
From: The Barracuda™	Respond to of 116752

I agree with him about the religious aspect of the enemy. I think though that Iran and Afghanistan are the govt. sponsors of our attackers. Iran and Afghanistan are the only govts. that are not secular in the middle east. There have always been and always will be animals such as those that attacked the US, but it is only through State sufferance that they can be a military threat.

To: Tommy Moore who wrote (77165)	9/23/2001 10:59:52 AM
From: The Barracuda™	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116752

Speak of the Devil dailynews.yahoo.com

To: Tommy Moore who wrote (77165)	9/23/2001 1:41:19 PM
From: Tommaso	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116752

OT--but I wish I knew what the implications of all this were for the price of gold. Thanks for that link and thanks to the other poster who put it up. I did not know until I looked at the box with the photos and information on the hijackers--in this morning's Sunday NY Times-- that most of them were Saudis. It may seem far-fetched to say, but it begins to seem to me that these groups, in their fanaticism, have something in common with Timothy McVeigh: I mean a blind hatred and a determination to cause as much destruction as possible in the most public way possible. The Saudis seem to hate the United States for "polluting" sacred soil with its presence in their country, and hate the interdependence of the United States with Saudi oil and American military power. Mc Veigh, of course, was at the polar extreme from this, believing that he was acting in the most fundamental interests of the United States. It's hard to defend yourself against a suicidal lunatic in advance. I hate the limitations of tight security, but I think we are going to have to have it--including much stricter controls on foreign visitors. I do not think that it would cause terrible hardship or constitute unfair persecution to require that all Saudis, except for diplomatic and duly cleared business emissaries, simply go back to Saudi Arabia. I imagine that may well already be taking place. Sending people home is not the same as putting them in concentration camps. Because of our officially friendly relationship with Saudi Arabia, because of the Gulf War, and most of all because they have all that oil, I think that Saudis have been given rather easy access to this country. Well, I am sure that plenty of people are talking all this over right now. I was just very surprised at the obvious Saudi connection.

To: Tommy Moore who wrote (77165)	9/23/2001 1:58:31 PM
From: IngotWeTrust	Respond to of 116752

As the 1st GPMer 2 draw attention 2 the UAE & Gold connection re: 9/11 Attack on America, I read that Schwartz piece on the gold-owning, oil controlling UAE with GREAT interest. I'd like to excerpt it hereupon for a series of my contiguous GPM contributions this fine Sunday--especially in earshot of those both "blacklisted" as well as GPM lurkers and GPM posters who believe I'm "too extreme" on my HARSH/HAWKISH STANCE re: my USofA residing Islamic, so called "peaceful" neighbors. As much as possible, I'll attempt to post one directly quoted excerpt and thot per post. Quoted excerpt #1 [Paragraph 3]: The attacks of 11 September are simply not compatible with orthodox Muslim theology, which cautions soldiers ‘in the way of Allah’ to fight their enemies face-to-face, without harming non-combatants, women or children....Nobody on this side of the water wants a repeat of the lamented 1941 internment of Japanese Americans. There is a glaring omission in the first sentence of the above quote from Paragraph 3: [Any of the rest of you catch that omission?] *THERE IS NO DEFINITION PROVIDED OF WHO AN ORTHODOX MUSLIM "ENEMY"* IS: It is my clear and current understanding from FORMER orthodox muslims that the defnintion of their "enemy," taught from birth is ANYONE, ANYWHERE who is NOT muslim. It does not matter to muslim faith whether said infidel is male, female, adult OR child. When that chilling definition is included in the above paragraph's reading...a severe conflict arises as to the "peacebleness" of USA dwelling muslims, be they "orthodox" or "fringe/fanatic!"** In attempting to understand "Islamic faith system," one best begin by not glossing over the muslim definition of an enemy. SELAH

To: Tommy Moore who wrote (77165)	9/23/2001 2:10:58 PM
From: IngotWeTrust	Respond to of 116752

As the 1st GPMer 2 draw attention 2 the UAE & Gold connection re: 9/11 Attack on America, I read that Schwartz piece on the gold-owning, oil controlling UAE with GREAT interest. I'd like to excerpt it hereupon for a series of my contiguous GPM contributions this fine Sunday--especially in earshot of those both "blacklisted" as well as GPM lurkers and GPM posters who believe I'm "too extreme" on my HARSH/HAWKISH STANCE re: my USofA residing Islamic, so called "peaceful" neighbors. As much as possible, I'll attempt to post one directly quoted excerpt and thot per post. QUOTED EXCERPT #2 [Paragraph 3] "Nobody on this side of the water wants a repeat of the lamented 1941 interment of Japanese Americans." I do NOT believe that is a true statement. Those who use absolutes such as "Nobody" and "Everybody" are ALWAYS out of truths' range. While I acknowledge USA formally apologized to Japanese Americans for said internment...it was almost 50 years after the internment--over 2 generations AFTER the "powers that be who did the deed"--before said "apology" was proferred with great show and fanfare. In otherwords, generations AFTER this one may do the "apologizing" to the rounded up and "offended" Islamic contingent among us, but we, the doers of THIS ASSIGNED VENGANCE and DEFENSE of NY/WA/PA deed and said "seeking of absolution MAY INDEED THIS TIME AS WELL, come from another generation after the annihilation has been initiated and concluded. SO BE IT. I personally am sickened that one of the poor little offended Arab's has already initiated suit against the airline carrier for being forced off the plane by FBI/SWAT and whoever else was in on his removal 2 days after the horrid attack on our citizens. THAT jerk AND HIS MONEY GRUBBING ATTORNEY needs a Western lesson in common sense and justice in my opinion! The unmitigated gall of such a jerk is unthinkable. I hope CNN--who broke the story--continues to report his being laughed out of the courts of this land for his stupidity and arrogance. SELAH

To: Tommy Moore who wrote (77165)	9/23/2001 2:18:09 PM
From: IngotWeTrust	Respond to of 116752

As the 1st GPMer 2 draw attention 2 the UAE & Gold connection re: 9/11 Attack on America, I read that Schwartz piece on the gold-owning, oil controlling UAE with GREAT interest. I'd like to excerpt it hereupon for a series of my contiguous GPM contributions this fine Sunday--especially in earshot of those both "blacklisted" as well as GPM lurkers and GPM posters who believe I'm "too extreme" on my HARSH/HAWKISH STANCE re: my USofA residing Islamic, so called "peaceful" neighbors. As much as possible, I'll attempt to post one directly quoted excerpt and thot per post. QUOTED EXCERPT #3 [Paragraph 5]: Wahhabism: is a strain of Islam that emerged not at the time of the Crusades, nor even at the time of the anti-Turkish wars of the 17th century, but less than two centuries ago. It is violent, it is intolerant, and it is fanatical beyond measure. It originated in Arabia, and it is the official theology of the Gulf states. 1) IT IS VIOLENT 2) IT IS INTOLERANT 3) IT IS FANATICAL 4)*It originated in Arabia and IS the official theology of the Gulf States.* This is chilling. This has great implications for POG This has great implications for power & transportation CIVILIAN issues here within our USA This has great implications for USA military power and military transporation in this WAR! Selah

To: Tommy Moore who wrote (77165)	9/23/2001 2:29:37 PM
From: IngotWeTrust	Respond to of 116752

As the 1st GPMer 2 draw attention 2 the UAE & Gold connection re: 9/11 Attack on America, I read that Schwartz piece on the gold-owning, oil controlling UAE with GREAT interest. I'd like to excerpt it hereupon for a series of my contiguous GPM contributions this fine Sunday--especially in earshot of those both "blacklisted" as well as GPM lurkers and GPM posters who believe I'm "too extreme" on my HARSH/HAWKISH STANCE re: my USofA residing Islamic, so called "peaceful" neighbors. As much as possible, I'll attempt to post one directly quoted excerpt and thot per post. QUOTED EXCERPT #4 [Paragraph 9]: In the 19th century, Wahhabism took the form of Arab nationalism v. the Turks. The founder of the Saudi kingdom, Ibn Saud, established Wahhabism as its official creed. Just as USA was founded on Christian principles, Saudi kingdom was founded on *"violent, intolerant, fanatical credo principals.* Sounds like like the ultimate, mutually exclusive, incompatible polarity to me. No wonder our President made it so clear, EACH ONE MUST DECIDE: you are either with us or with the terrorists. There was no fence straddling bird-model portrayed as acceptable in this particular matter! GOD BLESS OUR COMMANDER AND CHIEF, OUR ALLIES AND THE JOB WE HAVE TO DO. Selah

To: Tommy Moore who wrote (77165)	9/23/2001 2:44:41 PM
From: IngotWeTrust	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116752

As the 1st GPMer 2 draw attention 2 the UAE & Gold connection re: 9/11 Attack on America, I read that Schwartz piece on the gold-owning, oil controlling UAE with GREAT interest. I'd like to excerpt it hereupon for a series of my contiguous GPM contributions this fine Sunday--especially in earshot of those both "blacklisted" as well as GPM lurkers and GPM posters who believe I'm "too extreme" on my HARSH/HAWKISH STANCE re: my USofA residing Islamic, so called "peaceful" neighbors. As much as possible, I'll attempt to post one directly quoted excerpt and thot per post. QUOTED EXCERPT #5 [Paragraph 11] "But the Wahhabis have two weaknesses of which the West is largely unaware; an Achilles’ heel on each foot, so to speak. The first is that the vast majority of Muslims in the world are peaceful people who would prefer the installation of Western democracy in their own countries." Now THERE'S a lightbulb moment: The vast majority of Muslims in the world are a peaceful people who would prefer the installation of Western Democracy in their own countries...now what does that mean? It means that these muslims--who have declared us as an enemy-- want to have freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of religion, freedom of gun ownership, freedom to assemble, freedom to/of --you name it...SO THAT THEY CAN PROMULGATE THEIR DEFINITIONS OF ENEMY and our utlimate destiny at their hands within the unfettered freedoms of a western democracy. Western Democracy...the ultimate Trojan horse for our enemies. Sickens me! Selah

To: Tommy Moore who wrote (77165)	9/23/2001 2:59:36 PM
From: IngotWeTrust	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

As the 1st GPMer 2 draw attention 2 the UAE & Gold connection re: 9/11 Attack on America, I read that Schwartz piece on the gold-owning, oil controlling UAE with GREAT interest. I'd like to excerpt it hereupon for a series of my contiguous GPM contributions this fine Sunday--especially in earshot of those both "blacklisted" as well as GPM lurkers and GPM posters who believe I'm "too extreme" on my HARSH/HAWKISH STANCE re: my USofA residing Islamic, so called "peaceful" neighbors. As much as possible, I'll attempt to post one directly quoted excerpt and thot per post. QUOTED EXCERPT #6: [Paragraph 13]: "In the US, 80 % of mosques are estimated</>[by the Sufi Hisham al-Kabbani, born in Lebanon and now living in the US,] to be under the control of Wahhabi imams, who preach extremism. THAT STATISTIC angered and bolstered my ANTI-ISLAMIC FEVER to a white-hot heat. The number most often heard this past 12 days regarding the number of Muslims within our borders is approximately 1 Million. That means, GPMers, that there are APPROXIMATELY 800,000 EXTREMIST CATECISM ISLAMIC ENEMY Koran totin' and quotin' imams WITHIN OUR BORDERS!!! So, to those of you who want to take comfort in the thought that all the enemy Islamics are "over there" somewhere, better wake up. That simply is NOT true! 80% My GOD, the job is HUGE and it is here and "over there"... Reminds me of the joker on here who wanted me to know that there are a BILLION of them in the world, and 11 billion of the "rest of us." GOD BLESS AMERICA and the JOB OF VENGANCE WE HAVE AHEAD OF US TO DO! Selah

To: Tommy Moore who wrote (77165)	9/23/2001 3:12:42 PM
From: IngotWeTrust	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

As the 1st GPMer 2 draw attention 2 the UAE & Gold connection re: 9/11 Attack on America, I read that Schwartz piece on the gold-owning, oil controlling UAE with GREAT interest. I'd like to conclude these contiguous excerpts hereupon this fine Sunday--especially in earshot of those both "blacklisted" as well as GPM lurkers and GPM posters who believe I'm "too extreme" on my HARSH/HAWKISH STANCE re: my USofA residing Islamic, so called "peaceful" neighbors. My final thoughts and summary for this series of posts: When Truman/Eisenhower gave into the pressure and gave the oil discovery/recovery and refining business to the "Arabs" some 50 years ago as the result of the failed policy of appeasement and detente', we have seen what an "ace of the sleeve" in world politics that pricig and availability of black gold has become. Furthermore, it is a well-known and accepted fact by those in the know that oil has been subsidized to tune of almost $5,000 GOLD VALUE PER BARREL for several years now. Is it truly going to be a surprise to any upon this thread that we will wake up and find the world's YELLOW GOLD also an ace up the Arab/Wahhabi/Gulf State sleeve? This amounts to an Arabic embargo of both oil and "good delivery" gold from the Westernized world. And they will want OUR gold and OUR oil before they consider their "job done." I boldly state that we have NOT seen exactly where the black gold's price will end up zooming to in the immediate future, nor for the next 50 years. I also boldly suggest that NOTHING will be spared in the effort to wrest our nation's gold, nor the gold held by the citizenry from us by this same set of Saudi financed Wahhabi enemy both within our borders as well as abroad! It has already been amply demonstrated to this poster's satisfaction that the POG is relatively low, in historical terms. But to contemplate that 50 years from now it & black gold will still be at $250ish and $28ish levels, is not only ludricrous but borders on lunacy. *GOT ENOUGH $250ish GOLD, folks??*