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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (4464)	9/24/2001 6:47:32 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

The Jews did not confiscate land; they bought it, usually paying off 1) the Turks 2) the absentee landowner 3) the tenant farmer. The local effendi made a killing off the Zionists. The British did not favor the Jews; they may have made the Balfour Declaration, but during the mandate they reduced or cut off Jewish immigration, while allowing very large Arab immigration attracted by the economic development the Zionists brought. The Zionists did not displace Arabs before 1948; on the contrary, they attracted Arabs. The Arab population of Palestine shot up by at least 300% in the period 1880 - 1948. When the Zionists started coming, Palestine was very sparsely populated. Palestine was so badly misruled in the 19th century, that its population, usually reckoned at only 300,000 in 1800, was actually shrinking during most of the nineteenth century. The local peasants were constantly forced into being nomads due to confiscatory taxes, extortion, and usury of the effendi class. As the British Consul in Palestine noted in 1857, "The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population..." Mark Twain visited the Valley of Jezreel in 1867 and noted, "There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent -- not for thirty miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation."

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (4464)	9/24/2001 6:52:22 PM
From: epsteinbd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

So your position is clear : "Israel should not have been formed". Thus all the Jews should have stayed where they were. Let me read if the same true for your ancestors ?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (4464)	9/24/2001 9:24:09 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

My position is that the State of Israel should have never been formed. If someone came to me and had a foreign governmental body confiscate my land, using ancient Biblical stories, that are not legal documents, or land deeds, I would appeal to other authorities and if I was not made whole, I would strike out physically against those that have made these actions or even financed these actions. I would consider their initial action an immoral, illegal action. 50 years ago this was a legitimately debatable issue. It isn't today - unless you think America's existence is debatable too. The same thing happened here only with no ancient Bible stories. Are you packing?