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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (8603)	9/25/2001 12:39:22 PM
From: Razorbak	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

ed: I agree with you 100%. One of the many things that makes this country great is the first amendment rights to freedom of speech and assembly. I think it is unfortunate when people try to curb those rights in a misguided sense of patriotism. Even if I disagree with what people sometimes say, I will fight to the death to preserve their right to do so, as long as they don't break any laws. Razor

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (8603)	9/25/2001 12:41:48 PM
From: kodiak_bull	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23153

Fast Eddy, Whoops, market indices have just turned red, maybe the selloff continues tomorrow in earnest? While we're waiting, let me examine your words, "they all have the right, in this country, to communicate any message they want, peacefully and without reprisal, as long as they are obeying the laws." I suppose that is so. However, it is hard for me to recall, among the past few years when the anarchists, anti-WTO groups, eco-terrorists (not to mention the trespassing tree sitters), etc., when any of the fringe groups restricted themselves to conducting their "communications" PEACEFULLY while OBEYING THE LAWS. As an officer of the court, I'm sure you understand that freedom to assemble and other first amendment rights are governed by not only standard legal restrictions (i.e., throwing a rock at a police officer or burning a car isn't free speech, it's assault with a deadly weapon in the first case and arson in the second) but also the governing authority's right to restrict any demonstration as may be reasonable as to time and place. I suspect that when the fringe groups next put out the call to have their assembly, groups with a counter message may show up and illustrate how much they have observed of the fringe groups' methods and procedures over the past several decades. Anarchists may come face to face with true anarchy, and then welcome the orderliness of local hospitals. Funny story btw. When Eugene police arrested anarchists for a riot last year, the anarchists had some weighty complaints about 1) how long it took the police to serve them sandwiches in their cells and 2) the lack of variety in the menu of the sandwiches (some were vegetarians and did not seem to appreciate that PB&J was the vegetarian fare on offer). The anarchists, it seems, were upset that the authority didn't have a better set of rules (like providing a nice vegetarian curry with some wild rice??). That's right, not only were the anarchists upset with the existing rules, they wanted a better set of rules. Maybe this country IS in trouble; we can't even produce a decent anarchist these days. Kb

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (8603)	9/25/2001 1:26:11 PM
From: Second_Titan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23153

Freedom of Speech - I was only talking about exercising my freedom of speech rights in the face of people who in many cases at a minimum are showing a complete disregard for the lives of people who are sacrificing their lives to protect our values. Yes, I think it is un-American to reduce our national support for the military while they are on the field of battle. Protest all you want before a war has started but once war is declared one should ensure their right to speech does not jeopardize the lives of the people fighting to protect your life. At the very least responsible media should focus their attention in a manner proportionate to represent America's views.