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To: Charles Gryba who wrote (56447)	9/26/2001 12:05:03 AM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

You just don't understand "modern" benchmarks. Elmer can explain it to you, after he finishes his latest "we will bury you" rantothon.

To: Charles Gryba who wrote (56447)	9/26/2001 1:08:49 AM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Constantine, Re: "I can assure you from first hand experience that it isn't so. The 2Ghz P4 can barely keep up with the 1Ghz Athlon in regular x86 apps. I too, was expecting the P4 to do a lot better than it did." I can sympathized with the situation at your office between the software you use, and the exceptionally poor performance it has on the Pentium 4. However, associating the performance of your company's software with the entire world of "regular x86 apps" is presumptuous, and not backed up by the vast majority of independent testing. wanna_bmw

To: Charles Gryba who wrote (56447)	9/26/2001 10:23:29 AM
From: fyodor_	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 275872

Constantine: I am sorry that you too have fallen prey to Intel's marketing bs that the 2Ghz P4 is faster than all of AMD's chips. I can assure you from first hand experience that it isn't so. The 2Ghz P4 can barely keep up with the 1Ghz Athlon in regular x86 apps. I too, was expecting the P4 to do a lot better than it did. I certainly recognize that the P4 is more "uneven" in its performance, but I do believe that, overall, the 2GHz P4 is faster than the 1.4GHz Athlon. In non-optimized FPU-intensive apps (and, let's face it, 99% of apps are non-optimized) the P4 is fairly weak. However, quite a few apps today are very bandwidth sensitive and the P4 has a definite advantage there. There are also a variety of games where the P4 is faster - and not only Quake3 ;-). Other examples include MPEG encoding, where the Athlon wins by a slim margin on unoptimized encoders and the P4 wins quite handily on optimized ones. It's certainly difficult to gauge the relative performance of two processors with such different performance characteristics, but I do think that, overall, the 2GHz P4 edges out the 1.4GHz Athlon (and the 1.2GHz AthlonMP&#133 or would this be a model 1400+?) -fyo