To: engineer who wrote (15258 ) 9/27/2001 7:07:20 AM From: Eric L Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 197217 engineer, re: SAR, CDMA, Apples, GSM, Oranges, TDMA, and Kumquats << if a CDMA phone were in JUST CDMA, then the SAR is ALOT lower than the gsm modes. but the ones that are listed as higher SAR are almost always dual mode phones which have analog, which stays at 200 mW peak all the time and almost all SAR realted isues are in that mode. CDMA avg transmit power across the entire cell is 2 mW average. GSM is more like 100 mW average, and analog more like 200mW. Apples and oranges comparisons for technically not informed people isn;t a good way to prove a point. >> Thank you. Would it be possible for you to take the time to reconcile your statement with the actual SAR ratings in these examples: The Audiovox CDM-3300 (FCC ID CKLHGC-130E) has a Digital SAR (W/kg) of 0.7162 and an Analog SAR (W/kg) of 1.4514 ... ... but ... The Audiovox CDM-8000 CDMA/AMPS Tri-Mode (FCC ID CKLHGT-1000E) has a Digital SAR (W/kg) of 1.19 and an Analog SAR (W/kg) of 0.794 ... and ... The Qualcomm QCP-1960 CDMA (FCC ID J9CQCP-1960) had a Whopping Digital SAR (W/kg) of 1.41 which gets pretty darned close to the 1.6 FCC ceiling ... by contrast ... The Nokia 7160 TDMA/AMPS (FCC ID LJPNSW-5NX) has a Digital SAR (W/kg) of 0.61 and an Analog SAR (W/kg) of 1.33 The Nokia 8890 GSM-1900 (FCC ID LJPNSB-6NY) has a Digital SAR (W/kg) of 0.94 These numbers above are abstracted from DoMode and they are pulled at random. There are several GSM models with measured SAR considerably lower than the GSM model above. A few here, each of which is < 1/3rd the FCC USA SAR max:1. Motorola V3682/StarTac 70 0.02 2. Motorola StarTac 130 0.10 3. Nokia 8810/8850 0.22 4 Ericsson GH628 0.26 5. Hagenuk Global 0.28 6. Motorola StarTac 130 (fixed antenna) 0.38 7. Sony CMDX-1000 0.41 8 Ericsson SH888 0.42 9 Nokia 2110/i 0.44 10 Mitsubishi Trium Aria 0.48 Thanks in advance. In the interim, if you don't mind I will stick by the statements that "Not all CDMA phones are created equal in that respect and IF (again) a CDMA phone has a higher SAR rating than the GSM model and a TDMA model then (potentially) that CDMA phone is the most harmful." I will also continue to practice safe mobile wireless telphony and spend as little time as possible with a handset pressed to my ear (CDMA or GSM) in case the IF really does have some significance. Respectfully, - Eric -