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To: Jamey who wrote (32855)9/27/2001 6:21:34 PM
From: Mitch Blevins  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
>>there is no question that Jesus prophesied the 70AD destruction of the temple and the end of the age.(Jewish Age.)<<

Three things should be noted:

One, this "prophesy" was not recorded until after the event had already occurred. I know of many people who can predict with great accuracy using this method.

Two, it was not unusual for candidate messiahs to predict the destruction of Jerusalem and/or the temple. The jewish people generally despised the roman puppet-king Herod and resented his rule. It would be expected for a messiah to destroy the temple and rebuild it.

Three, Jesus was inaccurate in his prophecy when he claimed that no stone would remain unturned. An entire wall (the west wall) is still intact today.

>>Josephus, the Jewish General and historian acknowledges Jesus words that this generation of Jews...<<

Josephus paints the sadducean/priesthood as rather ruthless, but the pharisean flavor is shown as much more moderate. This is in contrast to the account in the gospels. There is some obvious redaction occurring in the gospel/acts treatment of the jews/pharisees. Both the trial of steven and of jesus are improbable as told. The conspiracy of the jews running paul out of damascus is another example, and contrasts with paul's own account given earlier in II Colossians. Additionally, the likelihood of a crowd chanting to Pilate "His blood be on our hands!" is comical.

I call it Paulanity because although Jesus was a potential (but failed) messiah, it took Paul to turn him into a Man/God suitable for greek and roman consumption (no pun on the eucharist intended). The author of the gospel of John helped also.



To: Jamey who wrote (32855)9/28/2001 10:55:27 PM
From: epsteinbd  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Sir, when you state that "Josephus the Jewish General, acknowledges Jesus words". You lead us to believe that he quotes Jesus, or mentions him in some way, even as a joke.

Can you tell me in what passage of his book you find any reference to Jesus, whatsoever ? None to my knowledge.
Or any other book or scripture (other than the 4 Evangiles).
TIA