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To: Ilaine who wrote (10554)	10/2/2001 9:16:39 AM
From: X Y Zebra	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

The "Billings Method" is 99% effective if you don't cheat. Yeah well... if my aunt had wheels, she would be a bicycle too. Not to mention that such method is impossible to use effectively amongst women who do not have a regular menstrual cycle. No, I am not about to get involved in finding out the % of those women as it becomes irrelevant since the "don't cheat" is part of your condition for 99 % efficiency. I have no idea if you know the prevalent mentality of most men in Latin America, but in many instances women should not even think of "just saying no". Yes, I agree it is deplorable. The point is. The Billing method is as good as nothing period. The best proof is the birthrate of most third world countries. Indeed education (or lack of) is the other important factor. How coincidental that I seem to find that the more educated the country (or the socio-economic level within most countries) the smaller the birthrate. [And coincidentally too, the less they believe in the bedtime stories of the Vatican. Once again, I am not really interested in a religious debate, as I know it leads no-where. The point to make is how the church has negatively affected Latin American countries and they "powers that be" continue to put a blind eye to the appalling conditions amongst the poor in these countries. Do they expect some sort of miracle? Probably, but it simply will not happen. Meanwhile... they keep reproducing like rabbits. Once, many moons ago, having a similar conversation with a Canadian priest, all of a sudden it dawn on me that many of the god believers in countries like the USA, Canada or Europe, talk about these things part from a base assuming that society is (or should be), as in their respective countries. The reality is completely different, conditions and mentalities about these things are entirely different. Poverty and ignorance do not give you many of the conditions you would expect. They are luxuries that most people in these countries can hardly afford. (To mention a few; education, counseling and the benefit of a decent living standard) The illustration I gave you about Mexico in terms of the population size can be repeated throughout Latin America and frankly at this point, most countries are at the point of desperation and/or bankruptcy. No priest in the world will prevent a woman from taking her temperature in order to keep track of when she is ovulating. Getting her husband to abstain during ovulation is the problem. The woman may not want more children but the husband does. Or they may tell themselves, "just this once." I do not mean to disregard your good intention but the above in Latin America simply does not even apply. The smaller the town or city the local priests have acted as if they were some sort of small cacique (compare it to a mafia capo) where they instill "the fear of god" amongst women. This is more and more disappearing but once again, in the small towns this holds true still. As to "getting her husband to abstain” forgive me but =======> roflol. No the husband does not want more children. He simply wants sex. Period. AT this point, drastic measures are needed if you want to arrest the existing growth rates and remember that the bases of these percentages continue to get arguer and larger. Education would also help. Human beings have a tendency not to plan before they have sex. It's probably the reason the species keeps reproducing. In Western Europe, most country’s birth rate is either very low, or replacement level (and I understand in some cases it is negative) I know it's not the be-all and end-all of contraception. True... Education and opportunities to improve your lot can do wonders to motivate someone to implement birth control. If the Church meant what they say, they should work along those lines instead of being bent on building the cathedrals they have and continue to build, not to mention brainwashing the mind of millions with hardly pragmatic ideologies about deities and similar. Again, that is only my opinion and I do not mean to get into a debate of religious beliefs. Everyone is free to believe what they want; it just simply frustrates me that they cannot see the FACTS given historical precedents in an entire continent. Must go now...