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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (30668)	10/2/2001 1:25:21 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Your catching on Neo. It's not that Grace would be nice, or possibly one way as opposed to others, but it is the only answer, If you grant the premise you outlined. If you don't grant the premise, and it is true anyway, then you have a description of the Human condition that matches the Biblical one. Read the second chapter of Paul's letter to the Ephesians. "Dead in sin......But He" :) Greg

To: Neocon who wrote (30668)	10/4/2001 8:20:36 PM
From: St_Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Kan't distinctions between hypothetical and categorical imperatives, phenomenal and noumenal worlds, pure and impure motives are all clever and all useless since he seems to erect a kind of epistemological Berlin Wall between the sides of each distinction. We can never know the one side and can only have experience of the other, so what's the point of even mentioning the other side? Despite Kant's brilliance, I can't imagine that we're doomed or that our salvation (whatever that is) has nothing to do with merit. I also don't think it should take too much to merit salvation.