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To: Milan Shah who wrote (56855)	10/2/2001 1:54:32 PM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

"these kinds of figures are very well protected by the courts and either consumer protection groups or the government itself. ...these numbers have a lot of teeth to them" Thanks Milan, I am glad that automotive things are under the check. However I had no experience to see such a device as dynamometer at any relevant automotive location yet. Therefore I (maybe mistakingly) concluded that this kind of measurements is generally not available for a general car user. Which is in contrast with PC, where anyone can run a benchmark at almost no cost. Regards, - Ali

To: Milan Shah who wrote (56855)	10/2/2001 3:23:14 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Milan, re: I believe recently, the latest Mazda Miata was introduced with the claim that there was a 15hp boost in the engine, whereas all measurements indicated a 5-10hp loss. Mazda was sued etc., and was forced to make an offer whereby consumers could go so far as return the car for a refund in some cases. By making it almost fatal for auto companies to mislead the public, these numbers have a lot of teeth to them. Interesting, I wasn't aware of that, thanks. I wonder if anyone on this thread sees a parallel between this situation and AMD's new Model Hurtz scheme? John