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To: uu who wrote (99)	10/6/2001 10:55:55 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

What you are saying is that Islam does not promote or discuss the notion of violence even though we see Muslims under the name Islam and God are doing things that even Nazis did not dare to do so for which it was so sub-human even they could not have their conscious let them do so. And I can write a book on the types of violence Muslims have been practicing in literally every Islamic country (e.g. Iran, Iraq, Sumalia, Algeria, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, etc. etc.). Addi, I think it's important to keep some perspective when we look at those who live in ways that are not familiar to us. There have been some really violent and nasty things done by Christians and Jews, too, in the name of their religions. That doesn't mean that the religions as a whole are violent or that their practitioners are more violent that those of other religions. There is also a lot of tribalism and bigotry towards other religions in the major world religions. I don't know that Islam has any more propensity towards that than Christianity. Christianity and Judaism have different branches, some more fundamentalist and others more liberal. Why can't Islam have the same kind of range amongst its practitioners? The Bible contains violence as does the Quran. That doesn't mean that all or even most practitioners are violent. Maybe it just means that in the bad old days when those books were written, humanity wasn't as evolved. The US Constitution accepts slavery, for heaven's sake, and that was written only two hundred years ago. I don't think you could find a handful of Americans who would espouse slavery although they love their country and its traditions. I claim no expertise on Islam, or any other religion for that matter, but I can see that there are too many potential explanations for the violence of some Middle Easterners to jump to the conclusion that the problem is something inherent to the Quran. To get some perspective, perhaps some reading on the Salem witch trials... Karen

To: uu who wrote (99)	10/6/2001 11:06:22 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

Here are a couple of links that I've found useful and timely. theatlantic.com arches.uga.edu

To: uu who wrote (99)	10/7/2001 1:05:44 AM
From: AmericanVoter	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 2926

Dear Addi, thank you for the kind words... I looked up the verse that makes reference to beating one's wife... and the error in the translation you posted, is that the translation suggests beating for disobedience... and that is not correct... the reference to beating is the result of the wife's unacceptable behavior according to Islam and not one's own... and let me remind you and everyone reading this, that the beating is probably not more than a slap on the hand knowing what the guidelines are for the most severe form of beating in Islam (flogging) are ...here, one can go back and see what is a wife's acceptable and unacceptable behavior according to Quran... furthermore, it is the last recourse after other attempts to make the wife change her behavior... and you know why is all that Addi ? because divorce, although allowed in Islam, is the most hated of allowables in the eyes of God... regards amein