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To: Rick Julian who wrote (2913)	10/6/2001 12:23:01 PM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

As bad as he was, Mao and Stalin each killed more. Though once your victims are in the tens of millions, its pointless to keep score.

To: Rick Julian who wrote (2913)	10/6/2001 12:54:27 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Karma.. if you are referring to Hitler, then you're mistaken in claiming his was some manifestation of christianity. Hitler, and many of his closest lieutenants were pagans. They were HEAVILY into Norse pagan rituals and the occult. Many SS initiations were based upon pagan rituals. In fact, the SS insignia was, in fact two Sigil Runes. runeschool.org And here you will find a list of various runes used by the Nazis and SS units: geocities.com And their corresponding Anglo-Saxon runes. tarahill.com Hardly christian, although the Nazis surely attempted to invoke christian bias against Jews... I believe the last time we can claim that a war was fought strictly in the "name of god", was the crusades (or maybe the 100 years war)... Both were incredibly brutal, and CERTAINLY don't reflect any of the teachings of the Bible or Christianity. Hawk

To: Rick Julian who wrote (2913)	10/6/2001 1:28:46 PM
From: Mannie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<Lately, even before 9.11, Americans seemed to have developed this perception of Muslims as being rabid devotees of a religion which justified their violence.> That is quite a generalization. Undoubtedly some Americans have that view, but I am sure the number is quite small.

To: Rick Julian who wrote (2913)	10/6/2001 1:39:52 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Karma - I agree with Hawk that ideological members of the Nazi party were not Christians, but most Germans, even those who joined the Nazi party after it became expedient, were not ideological Nazis, and many thought of themselves as Christians. They thought of themselves as defending the Reich against the twin scourges of Communism and the "International Jew." Jews were alleged to be responsible for most of the ills of society. For example, they said that it was sabotage and treachery by Jews that caused Germany to lost WWI. Jews were responsible for the Great Depression. Jews were gangsters. Jews spread diseases. Jews murdered little children and drank their blood. Stuff like that. So there was something like religion involved, even though it's not what I would really call religion. Seems to me that for the most part when people of different religions fight each other over what they call religion, it seems to be about power most of the time, not so much evil. Evil means consciously trying to do harm for the sake of doing harm, or for pleasure, IMO. These guys - bin Laden and his ilk - I can see how in their own mind they think they are doing the right thing - I can see that to militant fundamentalists, purging civil society of elements which will lead people away from God is a good thing. Doesn't mean I agree with them.