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To: Area51 who wrote (3774)	10/9/2001 1:52:09 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

It is not inconceivable that Japan could have delayed enough to develop it's own bomb That is completely inconceivable. Certainly many more U.S lives would have been sacrificed. Incorrect. Considerably informed sources knew that Japan was being strangled by the blockade, and could very conceivably have fallen without even an invasion, let alone the atomic bombs. Also, that link you provided gave the incorrect body count for Nagasaki. The actual number is 140,000, which is far greater than even the fire-bombing of Dresden. airpowermuseum.org As the one person in the Tokyo tribunal who had any background in international law (Radhabinod Pal) said, if there is any crime in the Asian aspect of WWII which compared to the crimes of the Nazis, it was Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Tom

To: Area51 who wrote (3774)	10/9/2001 1:54:53 PM
From: Jill	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

There is a difference between overtly equating the two and pointing out that America has in the past been "indifferent" to the deaths of huge numbers of civilians in another country, perhaps in order to achieve its means, perhaps as a brutal show of strength, perhaps to preserve the free world--or perhaps all those and more. One could at least entertain the distinct possibility that it was not necessary, and then maybe have to face the horror & chagrin of the suffering engendered. And frankly, be a better American for it. I, in any case, don't have to embrace the entire political history of my country in order to love it & want to see it thrive and flourish.

To: Area51 who wrote (3774)	10/9/2001 3:41:47 PM
From: BirdDog	Respond to of 281500

Certainly many more U.S lives would have been sacrificed. Although we may never know. This was a very real fear in the minds of our leadership. We had just seen what it took to take Berlin. The Russians lost one million men just taking Berlin. German "civilians" fought like mad to defend Berlin. We also discovered how advanced the German Technology was. And learned how close they were to developing the "Bomb" as well as other high tech arms, like the Jet plane ( I know, I know, they had jets...but they were still in the development stage). Not to forget their Rocket technology. It is and was very scary knowing how close Germany came to beating all of us. Extremely close! Take all that knowledge. Keep in mind how dedicated of fighters the Japanese were. Then apply it to Japan... Think about it a while... Thinking like Bin Laden's and the "Islamic Movement" is what wars are made of. We must crush it now. We must get the Islamic countries to crush it within their borders now. Otherwise we will be forced to make most of the middle east inhabitable to cockroaches only. BirdDog