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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (31545)	10/9/2001 4:12:54 PM
From: Poet	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

Thank you. You make a very good point here: The people on the Eastern Hemisphere are well versed on our uneven hand in dealing with things that involve oil and our hypocrisy at supporting some despot dictators as long as we are getting a good deal in the gulf. That is a truth the the street people here need to start addressing if we ever expect any credibility in delivering hard facts to the Asians about their associations. I am noticing (on SI anyway) a shift to a hawkish and self-righteous stance, so that even reminding people of these more unsavory aspects of our country's past is seen as unpatriotic. Until we can be be honest about our own country's shortfallings in that regard, it's going to be tough indeed to expect painful self-examination from the eastern hemisphere.

To: one_less who wrote (31545)	10/9/2001 4:16:14 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

Example of the message we need to get over there? Bernard Haykel, a professor of Islamic studies at New York University, pens an op-ed for Pakistan's Dawn newspaper giving six reasons why Osama bin Laden's terrorist effort is not a jihad, or holy struggle: 1) Individuals and organizations cannot declare a jihad, only states can; 2) One cannot kill innocent women and children when conducting a jihad; 3) One cannot kill Muslims in a jihad; 4) One cannot fight a jihad against a country in which Muslims can freely practise their religion and proselytize Islam; 5) Prominent Muslim jurists around the world have condemned these attacks and their condemnation forms a juristic consensus (ijma') against Bin Laden's actions (This consensus renders his actions un-Islamic); 6) The welfare and interest of the Muslim community (maslaha) is being harmed by Bin Laden's actions and this equally makes them un-Islamic. dawn.com