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To: Lola who wrote (4021)	10/10/2001 10:35:47 AM
From: HG	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Iron Curtain. Total censorship of world opinion except for brief, moderated clips during off peak time. ISI chief implicated in transfer of $100,000 to Atta, the terrorist. US media blacks it out ! Pakistani group sent to negotiate for OBL's release to US does exactly the opposite. Media black out. The news and the possibility is not even discussed by the media... The ISI chief is 'let go'. For what ? For watching Adult TV with his wife ?

To: Lola who wrote (4021)	10/10/2001 4:40:56 PM
From: JustTradeEm	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Lola, I've read all your posts .... Most of what you post is personal opinion and not supported by fact. Nothing wrong with opinion but don't expect to dominate everyone with it; facts are much more persuasive. My responses are made by analyzing what I read in the news. I'd suggest you not believe everything you read, a few of your posts have included as fact what turned out to be unsubstianted rumor. I can see what I'm saying is upsetting you guys because what I'm saying is not shown to you in the American media. I think you should give the thread participants some credit; lots of bright people if you take the time to conisder a position that may not be your personal version of the truth. There is no better teacher than personal experience. Could you cite for us your personal experience in foreign policy or waging war on terrorism ? Peace .... JB

To: Lola who wrote (4021)	10/10/2001 6:31:58 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

It's interesting that freedom of the press should not apply to a country or company publishing Osama's comments, which I found very interesting. "Yes, freedom of the press is fine, but that was beyond the pale, so before you publish something, submit it to the Central Committee and we will tell you if you can publish or not" quoth the freedom fighters in the USA government. I always remain extremely suspicious of people who think I should not know something. I have never yet preferred to have somebody censor my material for me. Of course the location of soldiers and all sorts of such information should not be available. But in the battle for hearts and minds, the ideas need to be aired and those supporting them be evident [so that at least we will know who to kill - such as the WTC celebrating Palestinians, Osama, Saddam, and a lot more besides]. I don't believe Osama's talk should be unpublished. Now we KNOW for sure from his own mouth [or, more precisely, the translator's in my case, though I expect the translation was correct or we'd hear about it] that he is all in favour of the WTC destruction. That's sufficient to end him. It is far more convincing than some CIA or NSA spook telling us that he is responsible [because we know they will lie if it suits them]. The hearts and minds of the world are needed. A KGB cloak of secrecy is NOT the way to get that support. The world is not to be run by a cartel of secretive Kremlin Stalinist types. Freedom means actually being free to express one's own mind and to receive information one selects. It doesn't mean free to receive State-approved information. It's amusing to see support for different points of view in this SI stream. What a joke! It's as though people should check their brains at the door. Mqurice