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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Zoltan! who wrote (191358)	10/12/2001 10:06:06 AM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769668

Dascle INVENTED the power to write the whole damn bill: Message 16490005 Just yesterday Dascle invoked his power to delay and to hope to defeat the development of domestic oil resources in places like ANWR. Against the will of the majority.

To: Zoltan! who wrote (191358)	10/12/2001 11:49:42 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769668

Re - "1) As we have seen, the alternatives that oppose the US are not democratic - their cultures know nothing of that. The alternatives that oppose US are like the Taliban, they are even worse dictators." >>> Hey, we're got more enemies than just the current rabble. Every time we support dictators (and deny even nascent movements towards American-style liberty and democracy in the rest of the world)... like the Shah of Iran (remember when the CIA put him back in power in a US-engineered coup, replacing the elected government of Iran, and then spent many years educating his secret police in the proper use of torture techniques). Do you remember that after the CIA sponsored coup the US set the PRODUCTION and the PRICE of Iranian oil as our 'payback'? >>> Or remember when Saddam was our 'good buddy' and we were happy to sell him arms, and the chemicals and helicopters he used to gas the Kurds? >>> How about the fact that Kuwait was carved out of the Ottoman lands only so the British could control the oil production? >>> We only do these anti-democratic things because of our strategic dependence on middle eastern oil. Problem is, cuddling up to murderous dictators only incites a firestorm from the bottom - when inevitably the dictators and murderers are swept from power. Re - "2) The Lib Dems are opposed to eliminating our oil dependency and are strident in their opposition because of the special interests that control their party." >>> Looks to me like neither major party has done spit to reduce our dependence... it has only gone up for the last 30 years. >>> And you wouldn't be claiming that old Dubbya was elected without at least a plurality of Big Oil's campaign contributions, would you? >>> You see where Dubbya opposes the extension of mileage efficiency standards to pickup trucks and SUVs (which now account for more than 40% of the American auto fleet)? The simple change of adding 2 or 3 miles per gallon to the truck fleet (same rules cars have, adjusted for weight) would save as much oil as 10 Anwars. >>> Of course energy efficiency is not something Big Oil cares about... the faster we run low on oil, the more they maximize their profits on doling out the remaining dribbles. Re - "Just yesterday Dascle invoked his power to delay and to hope to defeat the development of domestic oil resources in places like ANWR. Against the will of the majority." >>> 'Nuf said. Of course there's a lot more oil off of Florida (and NC), but that might mess up Jeb's beaches if we tap it. >>> If the oil in the American ground, then it's still 'in the American bank'. We haven't lost it. We'll get around to it all eventually, just wait till the price gets high enough.