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To: KyrosL who wrote (129101)	10/12/2001 9:02:31 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Sorry to disagree if the Saud family losses power it will be a blessing. Radicals can be fought and replaced. Those that plunder the Arab people are their rulers and the clans ruling those countries are the root of the problem as they do not invest in their own nation in education infrastructure and social services ( yes it is doen but very few). They keep the population under the hammer of the Wahabi system a very fundamental order of interpreting the Islam. Some one posted the Amnesty report about Saudi Arabia who says it all. Read some of those reports web.amnesty.org Turkey is an example of a country who evolved as a modern Islamic / Muslim and Democratic Country were the state is separated from religion ........... and it works!!!

To: KyrosL who wrote (129101)	10/12/2001 9:24:09 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Respond to of 436258

Saudi Arabia -- Asian workers continue to suffer behind closed doors Foreign nationals make up 60-80% of the Saudi Arabian workforce and most are from Asian countries such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Philippines and Nepal. For most of them the opportunity to work in Saudi Arabia offers a chance to escape from poverty and provide their families with a better future. ''Asian migrant workers in Saudi Arabia are particularly vulnerable. They suffer human rights abuses in silence and solitude with no one to turn to for help,'' Amnesty International said today. Asian migrant workers are mostly employed as domestic help or manual workers and like other workers are not protected by any trade unions. Their sponsors often confiscate their passport and they are forbidden to change jobs or travel from where they work. Many suffer at the hands of their employers on whom they are completely dependent. Some are not paid and are vulnerable to abuse by employers. Once arrested they may be tricked or coerced into signing a statement in Arabic, which they don't understand. They are not informed of their rights, nor of the judicial process that awaits them. They have no access to a lawyer and are often denied consular access. Letters to their family back home may have to be smuggled outside the prison. This, coupled with the lack of access to influential members of society to intercede on their behalf, means that they are more likely than Saudi Arabians to be executed, flogged and suffer amputation. web.amnesty.org\SAUDI+ARABIA