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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: thames_sider who wrote (32294)	10/12/2001 9:17:53 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

wow we said the same thing. what a surprise. :-)

To: thames_sider who wrote (32294)	10/12/2001 9:19:02 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

If, 1000 years from now, the earth is ruled and populated by Islamic fundamentalists, what will the 'objective' view be then? Who will say them nay? Islamic fundamentalists have their differences too, and if they ruled some might still disagree even if silently but to remove those loopholes I change it to "what if everyone on the earth was a Islamic fundamentalist who thought any of the ways of the (extinct by that point) west where horrible evil that had to be stamped out at any cost. An person who believe in objective morality might just say that then you would have a world where everyone was wrong. If something is truly objectively true, it doesn't require anyone to believe in it for it to be true. Of course if no one believe in it the idea will not be of much practical consequence, but that's a separate issue. Tim

To: thames_sider who wrote (32294)	10/12/2001 9:39:03 PM
From: s.jennings	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"what will the objective view be then?" The same as it is now. The actions of the terrorists were based on what they "believed" to be the will of Allah. People "believe" because they don't know. Whether they believe there is a god or believe there isn't doesn't matter.Those who act on their beliefs are not only ignorant, but sometimes dangerously ignorant. 6000 innocent people died because of the dangerous ignorance of others. That's the fact no matter which side you are looking from.

To: thames_sider who wrote (32294)	10/13/2001 12:26:07 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"Greg, you must be wilfully misunderstanding. To the terrorists, they were doing the will of Allah. What they did was - absolutely - good." What they think about it, or what I think about it for that matter, is irrelevant to what God thinks about it. Lots of people sincerely think they are doing God's will when in fact they are not. I believe the Bible to be an accurate account of what God's will is for humanity, and I assure you, killing six thousand people in the name of a false god is definitely and objectively, evil. The whole world is about to turn on the nation of Israel, and when they do we will see who's God is is the real God. You will have your "objective voice", but by then it may be too late for you. Stay tuned, who knows, if CNN hasn't been nuked they just might carry it.