Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : War -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (6693)	10/13/2001 8:19:46 AM
From: epsteinbd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Fascistic juggernaut! Where do you see fascism. Is the Belgian king a fascist ? The Spanish PM a fascist ? Toni B. ? The Danes, then, after all many are blond, one has to be careful, enemies know how to hide. Yes there is some level of fascist individuals in Euroland. Some even have political parties, get invited to TV debate. That why they survive, though, for the sake of the public debates, sot that not everybody falls asleep because of dull democracy. Anyway, had your theory been real, you would have been killed by the Belgian political police beforehand as a fascist exposer.

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (6693)	10/13/2001 10:57:51 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 23908

Hmmmm.... so everyone's afraid of the Arabs?? I wonder why? It's not like any of them are economic or military powerhouses. Hell, most of them us US made weapons, and thus are reliant upon our repair and resupply network. And who stands to profit if the Arabs cut off oil shipments... Russian, Norwegian, and UK oil interests, amongst others.. Sure they have their extremist religious fanatics who will attempt to wreak a bit of havoc from time to time, but we survived the '70s and we'll survive this.. In fact, the quickest way to prevent such future attacks is to severely limit the right to travel in the West for ALL Arabs. Of course, we'll never go that far unless this war expands, but there is certainly little reason for Europe and Russia to fear the Arabs, except for economically. But I can also say with some certainty that were your scenario to play out, China would likely become a major alternative, or secondary ally of the Arabs. Because they need oil to grow their economy. Lots of really really cheap oil... But so does everyone else..... And I can't believe the US will sit back and be an idle player in all this, given how much oil we import. And while the US may be doing the "dirty work" for other nations too afraid or incapable of handling it, I don't "get your picture" contained in those two scenarios.. US foreign policy generally revolves around doing just enough to get us by politically, and not committing ourselves to something long term, or controversial. Furthermore, although we do intervene from time to time, we're still uncomfortable doing so, since we believe either the individual parties should resolve it between themselves, as well as the traditional American disdain for committing our troops to foreign disputes. This is why the US has not imposed a solution on the Israelis and Palestinians, because anything imposed will not be recognized as legitimate by either party. And were slow to anger when it comes to US forces being attacked overseas because we realize that, because the US is more free, we figure that its the cost of doing business for Americans to be attacked from time to time overseas. Besides, it provides the ability for the US to pressure allies to deal with their terrorist elements. But on Sept 11th, it all changed. The US was brutally attacked. What had been a case of US indifference or lethargy regarding foreign conflicts, suddenly became one where the security of the US was directly involved. The US has woken up Gustave... And before this is all said and done, we will be STRONGER, not weaker. Other nations will continue to fall in line behind us, not oppose us with regard to this war on terrorism. We will make the economic costs of not complying far too expensive. And the fact that the US comprises 33% of Global GDP makes such a threat VERY REAL to them. Thus, without some major catastrophe in the US that causes a drastic decline in our power and influence, I don't see your fascist state arising without the downfall of the US. Btw, Russia isn't the only nation that possesses nukes. So if we turn your logic around, we can see Russia telling Bin Laden to chill out: The Russsians to Bin Laden: --"Stop messing around with your Islamic bullshit! You're gonna piss off the Yanks BIG TIME and snafu the whole region!!" Bin Laden to the Russkies --"To hell with you! I don't give a shit about those infidel bastards!! I WANT MY OWN ISLAMIC EMIRATE... NOW!!" The Russians to Bin Laden: "GODDAMMIT Bin!! those crazy Yanks will just nuke the whole of you! We don't want a nuclear war between Pakistan and Russia! Sorry Bin, we warned you: from now on, you'll be on your own. Period." . . . . And btw, a nuclear war between Pakistan and Russia?????!!!!! Give us a break... Pakistan would be turned into a self-lit, sub-asian parking lot... Hawk Hawk