To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (5118 ) 10/14/2001 11:20:52 PM From: Hawkmoon Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500 On the other end, we have to stop treating 'conservation' as a dirty word. It's only a dirty word when I see it being espoused by Eviro-wackos who will engage in some diatribe at a public event, and then hop into their Range Rover for the drive home... Lots of those types in DC... But I will submit that we can't conserve ourselves into higher economic growth. Conservation generally has a economic price that must be paid, either in higer costs for more efficient technology, and/or energy effcient materials. But hydrogen poses a potential solution if the infrastructure to produce and distribute it is developed on a large scale. But that will only occur with an aggressive nuclear energy program, which coincidentally, would reduce national energy costs (with a proper transmission grid). Energy independence is certainly a national security, and foreign policy concern for the US, since it prevents us from exercising our political options in the Mid-East, or at least being more of an objective ear. We have an inherent conflict of interest due to our oil dependence. I personally believe we'd be FAR LESS tolerant of the BS that OPEC and Arab nations have pulled, were we not so dependent upon their oil. Btw, I saw the Jordanian ambassador to the US and Mexico this evening on some talk show. I just about flipped my wig when he tried to claim that so much of tension is the fault of the "intolerable" occupation of the west bank... Like he and his nation have any room to speak after only renouncing their claim on it in 1989 and never having taken any steps to realize a Palestinian homeland.. I'm thinking about sending him an email taking him to task for his blatant historical revisionism and attempt to absolve Jordan from any responsibility for the current situation. Hawk