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To: JohnM who wrote (5696)	10/16/2001 9:26:26 PM
From: k.ramesh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

That is a horrible dream, I want to wake up. If Saudi Arabia's emperor has no clothes, then this is getting worse every passing day!. No wonder there seems to be some movement on Palestine state, anything to bring the temperature down while we get some time to really sort this mess. A collapse in Saudi would be way bigger the get OBL phase of the war. And this sure does look like major nation building, redrawing of maps, wholesale installation of puppet regimes.. major brains required, hardly the bull in a china shop mentality of some on the thread. Let us see. 1.Install broadbased govt in Afghanistan, Get UN, Japan to fight famine 2.Get OBL, Damn winter is coming BTW what ever happened to his 'periodic' dialysis trip at Peshawar? anyone 3.Please Pakistan with a lot of funny money, rescheduling debt, while making sure Musharraf survives. 4. Tell India to fight another day 5. Pre emptive prop up of Saudi Govt. 6. Pre emptive something or other with Iraq 7. Patch up with Iran for #6 . 8. Watch your back in case Russia or China try something funny. 9. Home land security 10. The Economy, Markets and all that stuff. 11. Israel Palestine and all that mess. Wanted 2 Blairs, 3 Henry Kissingers, a dozen Sam Nunn's, 4 Powell's, May be a Sadat, Atteturk for good measure

To: JohnM who wrote (5696)	10/17/2001 12:51:02 AM
From: SirRealist	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hersh is, indeed, credible. And the thing is, very little there surprises me, other than the escape of Omar.

To: JohnM who wrote (5696)	10/17/2001 1:09:47 AM
From: Climber	Respond to of 281500

Airing the dirty Saudi laundry... I don't suppose it's high on the foreign policy wonks' lists of Big Issues, but I hope that ultimately someone will investigate the abominable practice of slavery in Saudi Arabia. Especially with regards to "maids" and "household servants" for the middle and merchant classes. Climber

To: JohnM who wrote (5696)	10/17/2001 1:29:57 AM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The USA troops are "their janissaries." He was referring to the captives who became élite troops of the Ottoman Empire." Saudis royals think of the US as being their elite captives That brings Waleed's actions and statements into much clearer focus

To: JohnM who wrote (5696)	10/17/2001 1:36:44 AM
From: Michael Watkins	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Abdullah is viewed by Sultan and other opponents as a leader who could jeopardize the kingdom's most special foreign relationship—someone who is willing to penalize the United States, and its oil and gas companies, because of Washington's support for Israel. In an intercept dated July 13, 1997, Prince Sultan called Bandar in Washington, and informed him that he had told Abdullah "not to be so confrontational with the United States." Confrontational? I guess Abdullah hasn't yet lost his grip, and Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, of Giuliani-rejected $10M cheque fame, is the public messenger? The prince's statement said the United States "should re-examine its policies in the Middle East and adopt a more balanced stand toward the Palestinian cause. "While the U.N. passed clear resolutions numbered 242 and 338 calling for the Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza Strip decades ago, our Palestinian brethren continue to be slaughtered at the hands of Israelis while the world turns the other cheek," the statement said.