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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (130277)	10/19/2001 2:22:23 PM
From: benwood	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 436258

My dad wrote and said every person, office, or clinic that has received an anthrax-laced letter or parcel has been publicly pro-choice. Has anyone picked up any news about that angle? I've been on jury duty for 3 days and haven't seen anything, but do wonder now... Your statement, Haim, about the right wing makes me wonder even more.

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (130277)	10/19/2001 2:47:59 PM
From: Tommaso	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

"Slowly and surely the US is transforming itself from a free society to a military type of state" The US at this time does not have any kind of compulsory national service. In the "neutral" and "Socialistic" country of Sweden they have it. Things may change, but society in the U. S. is about as far as it is possible to go in the direction of lack of regimentation and still preserve social order. There's not even as muich of the diffuse social pressure that De Toqueville noted so long ago as an abridgement of freedom. There does seem to be a conspicuous and abrupt abridgement of one's freedom to scatter talcum powder around a room, however. I do not recommend doing it. And there are rather severe penalties for various kinds of political incorrectness. It is no longer possible to teach one of Joseph Conrad's best pieces of fiction because of its title, for example. But there are compensations. One can talk as nasty as one wants and get away with it in most company, so long as one sticks to excrementious and sexual language. On the whole, this may be an improvement over the acceptability of using racist epithets with impunity. As a child, I was taught not to use discriminatory language, however, and maybe some children are being told not to use the four-letter words. But not many, from what I overhear. I would say that the year 1952 was about the low point ever for true freedom within the United States and there would have to be a lot of changes made to get back to that.

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (130277)	10/20/2001 3:31:36 PM
From: Logain Ablar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

Haim: We know you were and are not in favor of Bush as President but in response to this post, in your opinion do you: 1) Feel Al Gore and the team he would have picked would have been up to the task of facing this crisis? I don't but then I was much more an anti Gore vs. a pro Bush. Its the anti Gore which made me so supportive of Bush. 2) Feel the US doesn not have the ability to self correct (over time)? As far as Governments elected by the people I do although they will swing too far one way (look @ McCarthyism) and then the other in times of stress. 3) Think the Senate or House will let Bush be too conservative? I don't. Its just not practicle for Bush politically. Like Clinton before him Bush will move more towards the center. Bush had started while Clinton had to wait to lose the mid term elections. The middle is where the bulk of the us population is and Bush is similar to Clinton in knowing this. 4) Who do you think is responsible for the security lapses? IMO this is not the time for finger pointing. Resources need to go toward prevention vs. blame. I've always found your posts intelligent and informative but as you can tell this is one where we disagree. I don't know why your so anti Bush but I can list plenty of reasons why I'm anti Gore. I'm sure we are both ignorant on many of the issues and I prefer to stay ignorant. I am in favor of big business and glad we have the market to encourage small business to keep them on their toes. Best Tim

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (130277)	10/20/2001 3:43:57 PM
From: Bald Eagle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

Do you have any proof to follow up your wild accusations? If not, I suggest you keep your thoughts to yourself. Making slanderous attacks on our leaders at this time undermines our solidarity against our real enemies. Or are you one of them?

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (130277)	10/20/2001 3:51:11 PM
From: Bald Eagle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

RE:It is a very dangerous development and is mostly directed IMHO to cover up those responsible for security lapses Yes, I'm sure that this administration really wants to cover up Clinton's blunders. Get real!

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (130277)	10/21/2001 7:11:45 AM
From: Zoltan!	Respond to of 436258

>>Slowly and surely the US is transforming itself from a free society to a military type of state ...... reason is crushed by mass hysteria promoted by the media which is more and more curtailed and guided in trumpeting this administration agenda. The only time the US has had an arguably "fascist" government was under FDR. The father of the modern Dem party. Early on, the Supreme Court and Congress stopped many of his most outrageous schemes against the Republic. Later on, packed with his appointees, the Supremes didn't do so well. While FDR's programs failed to bring the US out of the Depression he did manage to extend the reach of government like none other; under the aegis of "military necessity", FDR ordered his racist policy of programatic internment of innocent Japanese-American citizens at US concentration camps. I believe FDR's actions also led to the confiscation of their property as well. >>and cover up of this administration "foreign friends" and their business interests. Clinton is gone, so why continue talking about him? Sure the US under Clinton sold missile tech to the totalitarian Chinese in exchange for campaign cash. State under Christopher refused the transfer so Clinton moved that authority to his crony, ex Dem party head Ron Brown at Commerce, where the Chinese had other agents. Commerce sealed the deal for the Dems and their Chinese paymasters. That's well-documented even though Reno managed to abort the investigations that would have led to criminal sanctions against Clinton and his cronies. Searches denied, witnesses allowed to flee to Indonesia. Reports are that Pakistan has received some of that US tech from the Chinese. That means a radical Islamic takeover of Pakistan is a most serious threat. The hope is that these Clinton legacies - like the refusal to take Osama Bin Laden from the Sudanese when that government offered to deliver him - don't blow up again - literally. No wonder Americans are relieved the Dems are out of power and the adults are in charge. Yes, the corrupt Clinton era is over. But we are living with the consequences; the effects of the corrupt Clinton regime are the present danger. Now that mess is being cleaned up, so to speak. Zogby, liberal Dem that he is - has made an interesting finding. Americans prefer President Bush's leadership to disgraced ex-prez Clinton's corruptocracy by a margin of 72-20%, Cheney over Lieberman by 70-17%: zogby.com