To: epicure who wrote (34553 ) 10/20/2001 3:59:24 PM From: briskit Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486 We might not agree about what concern looks like. I think it starts with those closest to me, then works its way out. The evidence for it rests with the men who support the women they are in contact with in many an endeavor, while not necessarily agreeing to all the agenda items in the "feminist" smorgasbord. I know many conservative men who help improve the life experience of women around them. If the women I am in contact with feel discriminated against, used, or think themselves to be means to some end in my interest, then it does not matter what causes or current politically correct agenda I sign on for. (Of course, you would say liberal men would not relate to women in such a way, about which we also disagree). If I encourage my 18 year old daughter to live as I see espoused in some "well meaning liberated sister circles" I think my daughter is not as well served as by my antiquated interests in her well-being. A classic example of this kind of dichotomy is evidenced by men in politics who sign on feminist agendas in public, then use and abuse women, including spouses and daughters, for personal gratification or self-serving political ends. I don't have a specific example right now, but I know they exist. So I really doubt you and I would agree on what constitutes concern, working for the good of, and supporting. I don't think I need to say "give em whatever they want," in order to be supportive. Sometimes disagreement is a support, though one rarely appreciated. I am very comfortable taking responsibilities for the choices I am making in that regard, which I think minimize much damage and provide much encouragement.