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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (60303)	10/25/2001 5:33:12 PM
From: rsi_boy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

That's the other reason they did the switch, to justify crippling of the Pentium 3 with a 100mhz bus. What I said was: compare them both on pc 133, not pc100 and pc1133 The benchmarks you sent me here: xbitlabs.com Show Celeron 1.2 destroying p4 1.5 in business Winstone and content creation Winstone (48 to 38 points and 56 to 48 respectively) when the Celeron is running 133 bus. It doesn't win in all certainly (in the notorious sysmark2001 the p4 is still ahead) but it wins in most and sometimes by substantial margins The reasons for this are clear, in some of the applications PC 133 bounds each processor equivalently. In the CPU bound apps, the superior IPC of the P6 core wins out except in the case of the few applications so far that have been painstakingly optimized for the P4. cheers, t.

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (60303)	10/25/2001 5:41:21 PM
From: TGPTNDR	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Wanna, Now we know how 'The Crossover' Occurred. From your link, xbitlabs.com ...on October 2 Intel announced the first Celeron processor on the new Tualatin core... At 20:15 into the CC: Paul O stated: The desktop was were much of the action and results were focused this quarter. Customer response to our accelerated roadmap has been very positive. Pentium 4 processor unit shipments quadrupled this quarter and crossed over Pentium 3 unit shipments two weeks ago. It turns out crossover occurred exactly two weeks earlier, October 2, when they renamed the P-III Celeron. What's the difference, except for the name, between the Pentium III Tulation 1.1G of October 1 and the Celeron 1.1G of October 2? tgptndr

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (60303)	10/26/2001 11:32:01 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

RE:"Check out this review of a 1.2GHz Celeron and the slowest Pentium 4 and memory combination available: 1.5GHz with SDRAM. xbitlabs.com The Pentium 4 actually wins on more than a few tests. Unbelievable, isn't it? I'm guessing a 2.0GHz Pentium 4 will6 do even better." Yes, the P4 did beat the Celeron(T)1.2 on a few benchmarks...a few of which were Sysmark...which means you can throw those out. What made me wonder is that a Coppermine P-III 1.0 beat the tualatin Celeron 1.2 on a few 3DMark benches. I don't see how this could be possible since they both have 256k Cache. The real winner is the P-III-S w/512 cache at 1.13 which in fact destroys any P4 at any speed. The p4 is really sucky chip, but as you know it sells to those who don't know better...Personally I would consider a 1.2 Ghz Celeron for my own use now... Jim