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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (196262)	10/26/2001 10:23:03 AM
From: willcousa	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

I think Richie was talking to some winos in Alexandria. Maybe is one himself.

To: Neocon who wrote (196262)	10/26/2001 1:32:31 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Neo, truth or understanding a physical truth is in ones ability to visualize. As an engineer I do it all the time. I have worked with and even created visual tools to to train, educate and do simulations. Richie ignores all reports and in several posts implies that the President allowed a false of misleading interpretation of events to be put out. If you wish to believe because mr. bill lied a lot then President Bush would lie then you can suspend reality and consider richie other than a cranky whining ignorant fool. Just consider this composite I created and showed to mr. richie. watman.com note the arrow upper left that shows where the crash occurred. richie even after this insisted that the plane crashed into the SW side of the building. richie also suggested that the orientation of the map on yahoo was incorrect. richie has me on ignore because I consistently, clearly and cleanly debunk all the crap he posts. Now an early reply of richie #reply-16342173 Wednesday, Sep 12, 2001 he plane was coming from the Southwest and thus hit the Southwest side of the Pentagon after it flew in from the southwest over Army Navy CC. Again the White House is to the Northeast of the Pentagon, so it was heading straight for the Pentagon the whole time. Any drastic turns would have to have been 270 degrees if it came from anywhere but the southwest. And it was flying straight on when it hit the Pentagon. So please explain the drastic turn as the White House was behind and to left of the Pentagon as the plane ingressed. On the course it was on it could have flown by the Pentagon and easily hit the White House. Thus a convenient story Has richie said over and over he was right in the beginning and he is right now and he was never wrong. To a reply from DavesM #reply-16343043 that explains the report or the 270 degree turn that is mentioned in several press acounts and agrees with the words of the Air traffic controller richie again says. #reply-16343183 From: rich4eagle Thursday, Sep 13, 2001 Well that plane flew from Dulles and all of DC was directly in its flight path until the last few moments. It hit the Pentagon coming from the Southwest and could have easily gone by the Pentagon and forward to hit the White House. the plane hit it's intended target. We can make the target anything we want it to be. But this attack was well orchestrated and these folks knew the President was not in the White House, the Pentagon was a much higher value target and they hit their target. Believe whatever you want, I believe the plane hit it's target and the second plane which crashed in PA was likely headed for the Capitol where the most damage would have been done since Congress was in session. Quite frankly, I am amazed that a logical position backed by data is being outrightly attacked as if I were one of the terrorists. Remember what this is all about is defending freedom, so far all my attackers seem to want freedom to disappear. So I don't give whining richie credit for anything accept being out to lunch all the time. Now to see visuals that show the details of the crash. my post #reply-16342588 and this pic I created to assist in visualization. watman.com tom watson tosiwmee