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To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (131478)	10/27/2001 5:09:07 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Respond to of 436258

10,000 Pakistanis set to join Afghan war news.indiatimes.com ISLAMABAD: Up to 10,000 armed Pakistani tribesmen set out on Saturday in a 100-truck convoy to cross the border into Afghanistan to join the war against the US, officials said. "Led by Soofi Mohammad, head of Tehreek Nifaz-e-Sharia Mohammadi (movement for enforcement of Islamic Sharia law), the tribesmen are close to the Afghan border in Bajur tribal area," an interior ministry official said in Islamabad. A party spokesman reached at the border area by telephone said that the tribesmen numbered around 10,000. "We will resist if the authorities try to stop us. The jehad (holy war) will start here," said spokesman Qazi Ihsanullah. Bajur is in the Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan. Earlier, thousands of Pakistani men, young and old, had massed in Temergarah on Friday night with assault rifles, machine guns, even rocket launchers. A few even carried axes and swords. Their mission, they said: to enter Afghanistan's Kunar province and help the country's ruling Taliban defend against any ground incursions by American troops. "I am an old man. I consider myself lucky to go - and to face the death of a martyr," said Shah Wazir, 70, a retired Pakistani army officer. In his hands he carried a French rifle from about 1920. Organisers said that similar-sized groups were massing in other towns across North West Frontier province, an enclave of ethnic Pashtuns with ties to - and deep feelings for - neighbouring Afghanistan. Volunteers gathered in scores of groups of 20, sitting on the ground to be briefed by military commanders - wearing black turbans and full beards similar to the Taliban militia - on the ways of jehad, or Islamic holy war. One key rule: obedience to leaders. "It is a difficult time for Islam and Muslims. We are in a test. Everybody should be ready to pass the test - and to sacrifice our lives," said Mohammad Khaled, one brigade leader. Hussain Khan, 19, a carpenter from the area, carried a Kalashnikov and stood with his friend. He said that he was leaving behind a fiancee and joining a just cause. "Whether I come back alive or I am dead, I'll be fortunate because I am fighting in the service of Islam," Khan said. As the would-be warriors embraced and chanted anti-American slogans, 17-year-old Abdul Rasheed asked one commander to allow him to join. "Please come with me and meet my father and convince him to let me go," Rasheed said. He said that his father was reluctant. The call for holy war came this week from Sufi Mohammad, an outspoken Muslim cleric who runs a madrassa, or religious school, in nearby Madyan. He exhorted "true Muslims" to mass and prepare to go to Afghanistan - to repel any US ground incursions. How they will get there, and what they will do upon arrival, is uncertain. Their way station before entering Afghanistan is Bajur, a borderland village where volunteers from different area will come together this weekend. In this region of Pakistan, Mohammad's organisation - Tehrik Nifaz Shariat Mohammadi Malakand, or Movement for the Enforcement of Islamic Laws - has been embraced. And the cleric's message - that, despite its insistence to the contrary, the US is waging war on Islam - hits home. "This is a strange occasion of world history," Mohammad said on Friday. "For the first time, all the anti-Islamic forces are united against Islam." It was impossible to verify how many were actually en route to join him. In recent weeks, many militants have claimed far more supporters than their rallies eventually produce. However, the numbers in Temergarah on Saturday morning - and the people jammed into trucks and on bus rooftops - suggested support was heavy. Mohammad's backers say the number to enter Afghanistan will reach 100,000. "We are not worried about death," said Khaled, the brigade leader. "If we die in jehad, it is something much more greater than to be alive. And we will be taken into paradise."

To: Crimson Ghost who wrote (131478)	10/28/2001 4:43:59 PM
From: KyrosL	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

Public support is enormous for a large scale ground war RIGHT NOW. Thousands of American civilians died. I am coming to the sickening realization that it's the defense establishment that is hesitant. I hope I am wrong, and we see some action soon. The air war is a joke. This is no Kosovo. A much more intense, much longer bombardment of Kosovo, which is a tiny fraction of Afghanistan in area, managed to hit a tiny percentage of the Serb tanks there. But we hit an impressively large number of junked vehicles and cardboard props. The Serbs gave up because we were devastating the civilian infrastructure in Serbia. There is no infrastructure in Afghanistan for the Taliban to worry about.