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To: ratan lal who wrote (8477)	10/31/2001 9:08:28 PM
From: BirdDog	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"at NO TIME and under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is slavery better than democracy" It's very interesting, that in ancient times, anybody who worked for someone else was considered to be in slavery. There was Voluntary Servitude(slavery). As well as forced servitude. Either way, only men who worked for themselves were not considered slaves. So doesn't that make all you slaves feel good? BirdDog

To: ratan lal who wrote (8477)	10/31/2001 10:21:40 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi ratan, Re: My contention "at NO TIME and under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is slavery better than democracy" no matter what the end result. So dogmatic. So pee cee. Gee, you might want to at least admit that slavery is much better than democracy for the masters. <w> BTW, my home town is called Freeport. It's in Illinois. It was a stop on the "underground railway", helping runaway slaves on their way to Canada, during Abolition days prior to our Civil War in 1860-65. I was always very proud of my forbears for their role in helping to steal the property of the massa' down in Dixie. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This evening, on C-SPAN TWO, we are witnessing a great episode in American democracy. The "Muslims for Truth" and the New Black Panther Party are presenting their views of America's war on Islam. They aren't pulling their punches, they're angry and disillusioned with the American government. They're holding up placards of Osama Bin Laden, asking if he could personally be responsible for everything that is going wrong for America. The speaker says, no. And holds up an image of George W. Bush, the Texexterminator, and telling his audience this is the man who has created America's hardships. Very interesting TV, to say the least. Another speaker, Imaam Abdul Alim Musa, of the Masjid Al Islam in Washington, D.C. made some of the same points I have here on SI about the way that Islamic fundamentalists view this war in Afghanistan. He mentioned Ataturk, the Ottomans, Saladin and the great Islamic empire of the 11th Century. These people don't forget. Nor should we. Nor should we think, as I do, although our President is correct in saying our beef isn't with Islam but rather with criminal terrorists, that the other side isn't capable of spinning this completely differently, and involving millions of Islam in the jihad. It's indeed a daunting thought. Another thing that Imaam Musa brings up, and something that I'd love to hear the rightwingnuts on the thread address, is his contention, as a former drug dealer who spent years in Columbia and Panama, that the U.S. government is actively involved in the trafficking of crack cocaine and other debilitating drugs into our cenrtal cities. The purpose, of course, being the debasement of the will to rebel and seek redress for grievances among dis-enfranchised populations. I have no doubt that this is going on. How about others? Which could lead to a very interesting bit of negotiation ahead with the Taliban and the Afghani-Arabs who now control about 70% of the world's heroin supply, hashing out an end game with our CIA. Anybody for "Let's Make a Deal"? With the poor residents of Bed-Sty and South Central being the ultimate victims of a U.S. victory in Kandahar. Food for thought. Best, Ray