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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lola who wrote (9470)	11/1/2001 10:54:05 AM
From: joseph krinsky	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

That's all true, Lola. However, if they want to search someone's Turbin, they have the right (maybe even the duty) to do so. Just as they should and do search pocketbooks, briefcases, carry on luggage. The passenger can refuse, but if he does, they have the right (maybe even the duty) to not allow them on the plane. Just because someone wears a Turbin doesn't mean that a weapon can't be hidden in it. I agree that the request should be made with decency, but all that is required to be decent is to simply say, "Please remove your Turbin, so that we may inspect it". Nothing more should be said. No discussion, no argument. Then the choice is up to the passenger. It should have nothing to do with profiling, and everything to do with safety.

To: Lola who wrote (9470)	11/1/2001 11:01:10 AM
From: MSI	Respond to of 27666

Courtesy is good, but searches have to be done in these times, or one must travel by less dangerous means if they don't want to be searched for poison or weapons. As someone else mentioned, the Sikhs I know are not only enlighteded, but have a sense of humor about such things. Recently a pilot was criticized for ejecting a passenger because he felt something was wrong. Someone has to be in charge, and the pilot is it. Even if he ejects me, and 10 others, and is right only once, he saves lives, starting with his own, and that's a good arrangement. To supercede the screener or the pilot's judgement with arbitrary rules in a life and death matter is a bad idea, imo.

To: Lola who wrote (9470)	11/1/2001 11:04:53 AM
From: Bill Fischofer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

I agree completely. Fortunately, I also believe that the Sikh community is enlightened and will not let the ignorance of a few serve as a point of division against a common goal.

To: Lola who wrote (9470)	11/1/2001 11:11:39 AM
From: Suma	Respond to of 27666

Thank you for posting information that will make us all more sensitive to differences..........and perhaps less paranoid about symbols that we use to interpret that might be wrong. Suma

To: Lola who wrote (9470)	11/1/2001 12:20:44 PM
From: Brian Sullivan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Lola, I thought that Sikh's were for northern India and the Kashmir. Would there be any terrorists living in the Kashmir? What is to stop a terrorist from dressing like a Sikh and putting his ceramic knives in the turban?

To: Lola who wrote (9470)	11/1/2001 2:17:55 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Hi Lola. Here is what I said in my post....." Well its about time! Its ok for me to be stripped searched at an airport because I don't look like I'm from the ME. But it's wrong to search someone that does look like they may be from the ME. How did our countries ever get so screwed up.......Politically Correct is how. If strip searching me and others no matter what their religion or how they look will help protect my life and the lives of others then do it and to h*ll with special interest groups. You said..." I have news for you. Sikhs are not from the middle east and they are quite distinguishable from people from ME."..... This is not news to me, my work partner for 10 years was a Sikh and come to think of it his last name was Singh nice guy and we had a good time together. you said..." Sikhs are your friends and may be fighting side by side with you soon if India sends troops ... don't turn your friends into your enemies by being insensitive."... That also is not news to me. Not sure how you think I may turn Sikhs into my enemies. What did I say to make you think that? I believe that all of us should be treated equally and I will say again that if I am asked to remove some article of clothing at an airport because of safety concerns and I know that all passengers no matter what their religion , color, sex, will be treated the same way and this is done for the protection of all passengers then this is good and I am all for it. There should be no exceptions. You said..." There's nothing wrong with profiling ... just don't assume anybody who wears a turban is a Muslim."... That's the point I was trying to make " there's nothing wrong with profiling" and in my post I was not talking about Sikhs in particular I was talking about the overall systems at the airports where customs officers have been afraid to tell someone that they would be searched for fear that they would be called a racist or be sued. At this time in the world the fear is directed at ME peoples and that is what I was referring to when I said " its about time". Meaning that it is time that we are all treated equally. And I have never ever assumed that anyone who wears a turban is a muslim where did that come from?. You said....." The Sikh communities have been very vocal in their support of the U.S. in this war ... too bad you guys haven't been paying attention."...... I have been paying very close attention and think I have posted news items about this very thing. When you say " you guys haven't been paying attention " I am not sure what you are getting at. Have you placed me in some special group for some reason?? I understand that the story I posted was about a Sikh person but it could have been about any race of person it could have been a story about an Arab person complaining about being searched because they looked like an Arab person and I still would have said the same thing.....It is time that we are all treated equally. My apologies if I offended you that was not my intention. Lorne