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To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (8654)	11/2/2001 3:15:41 PM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

BBMan, you hit it.. academics in arts are often zoned I once did a little exercise with my father we reviewed all his university professor colleagues we looked at the "success" rate of their children and marriages it was astonishingly unfortunately disappointing bear in mind that I am part of the sample (the jury is still out on me, but even my vote aint stellar) we had entire sets of children who were drugridden children who never speak with their parents anymore several who sought an alternative lifestyle (Broadway dancer guy) a few in jail one married a southern belle with zero brain -- imbecile children many with divorced parents from adultery left & right one guy has been married 5-6 times, compulsive womanizer he continues to write for the city's major newspaper in a regular column another vein of the same argument was the PC crowd they thought all intellectual work was worthy that nobody should be judged as unworthy even if publishing press disagreed unpublished writings and manuscripts circulated then tenure was granted on basis of being socially kind and accepting a temporary chairman became fulltime, on terrible move the ramifications were near devastating deadwood collected everywhere the deans could not reverse the damage the quality of graduate students disintegrated in a few years then we looked at graduate students turned young professor Marxists, greencard holders who hate the US wow, what an eyeopener the unemployed littered their ranks just two months ago I met one of the philosophy BS degree holders who earned an MS in English unemployed, clueless, marriage in danger, sadsack I had the pleasure of keeping up with a few students and younger profs several are extremely colorful but I wouldnt want to work for them or see them run a business my main hope coming out of this war is a rejection of mindless PC thought esp when it undermines national and internal security or when it undermines legitimate valuation of work (which is and will always be vague) but in the meantime, that entire environmt is nearly perfect for hiding truly dangerous people it is a combination breeding ground and backwater which is often largely dismissed as harmless / jim

To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (8654)	11/2/2001 3:56:58 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

By the time I started classes again, I had the definite sensation that I was dealing with a roomful of house-bound, unwittingly stir-crazy poodles. OT: campus life This is terrific barroom talk guys. I love it but, at best, it's only your own experience, a kind of confessional over a set of late night drinks in which the bartender is trying to get you to go home before you've had too much. The diversity across and within college campuses in this country right now is genuinely mind boggling. You can, almost literally, find whatever you are looking for (and perhaps its twin down the road). Even if you just take the elite campuses, whatever that might mean, you could tell these assertions are wrong by simply watching the academics who show up on television as pundits of a sort. Some don't have a clue (regardless of their or your politics), some do; some are articulate, some remind you of why you wanted to sleep through some of your classes. I've been faculty member for more years than I wish to publicly count. But I can still recall my undergraduate years which seems to be one of the sources of evidence here. I remember faculty members of great brilliance and ones that couldn't find the bath room. As for some sort of PC atmosphere on campus, that would be an interesting debate, particularly since it's been debated since the late 80s all to little conclusion, since most of it was ideologically driven. But that should require some permission from our grand potentate, our thread head. John