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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8358)	11/10/2001 2:11:20 AM
From: D. Long	Respond to of 23908

Ignore him Nadine, he's hopeless. Derek

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8358)	11/10/2001 7:53:44 AM
From: Yaacov	Respond to of 23908

Nadine, Len Grasso is Posting from Peshawer in Pakistan. I can imagine that he got his education in a Madressa where they teach hate! Ignore him. He hates Jews, Christians, Europeans, or people who don't share his skin color and his belief! He has a few other serious problems that he needs to take care off! He is ignorant and has no formal education, so you can't talk sense to him! You can't win against people like that! He is one of those that can eat explosive and walk into shopping center and blow himself off! With crazy folks like that, there is only one way to deal with Daisy Cutters!!

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8358)	11/11/2001 2:42:55 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

The point is that no only have some Jews (probably more than not Zionists), not unlike the Palestinians, like to embellish history to their own political ends. That was the original point and yet remains the point. Presently, the Zionists hold most of the cards in the marketing game.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8358)	11/13/2001 3:07:29 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Not so fast Nadine. Since you are a Zionist, you also are an embellisher. 1. "A land without a people for a people without a land". It is acknowledged that this was the propaganda spread amongst European Jews to encourage them to leave and colonize Palestine. Just this past summer at a festival at a local college, there was a play on stage portraying two European Jews speaking to each other mouthing those exact words. First woman: "Palestine, whats there?" Second woman replies: "Nothing!" I remain, this was embellishment. 2. King David founded Jerusalem. You would be surprised to hear how many Jews hold this statement as truth. It is understanable that Christians would not know this, but for the amount of "Jews" who do, is a scary thought. If they do know and yet speak those words gives one pause. As a matter of fact, I have seen it posted right here on SI. 3. Religious zealots died at Masada. "Recruits to the Israel Defence Forces Armoured Unit swear the oath of allegiance in an annual ceremony on its summit. Their defiant cry: "Masada will never fall again". Recruits no longer swear allegiance at Masada. The story has been de-mystified. Masada is part of the Zionist story to pump up the Israel Offensive Forces and make them proud of "their" history and the struggle for their faith. Masada was a pep-rally prop. Israeli historians say it was embellishment. Many stories, Masada here, creates images that were used to justify the Zionists need to "re-claim" their land. 4. The Nazis made soap out of Jews. I was not speaking of lampshades, I was speaking of soap. As your response indicates, stories get stretched and that isn't so bad if you have an agenda. Embellishment. 5. Abraham was a Jew. So you agree with Arafat (when did he become a theologian or historian?) and me. Like the phrase "a land without people, for a people without land", this also is believed by so many. It is understanable that Christians would not know this, but for the amount of "Jews" who think they do, is a scary thought. If they do know and yet speak those words gives one pause. As a matter of fact, I have seen it posted right here on SI. What else do you and Arafat agree on? Arafat says: 1. Palestinians are descended from the original Canaanite and Philistine inhabitants of Palestine. More so then European Jews. 2. There is no evidence of Jewish antiquities in Jerusalem. That is a stretch, he needs to be more explicit. I sense he is denying Jewish claims in repsonse to how the Zionists dismissed Palestinians in pre-1948. 3. There never was a Jewish Temple on the Haram al-Sharif. Same as above. The events of the Bible took place in Yemen. Flat out lie just as the Zionists "flat-out lied" about "land without people for a people without a land" statement. 4. Palestinians have always been a separate people in a country called Palestine. "The notion of Arab Palestine as a political entity didn't even exist before the 1960's. Accounts from 1948 refer to "Arab refugees from Palestine", never Palestinians. Jordan annexed the West Bank with no opposition." It is here that you show your Zionist colors. As early as 1920, Britain, through Emir Abdullah separate Transjordan from Syria and create a separate Government paying respect to it's British obligations and in return they received financing. in 1928, Transjordan was made into a Protectorate with an Anglo-Transjordan Treaty. In 1921, a nationalist movement is started by Haj Muhammed Amin-al-Husssein, who was Mufti of Jerusalem and President of Supreme Moslem Council. One of his goals was the sovereignty of Palestine and the end of the British mandate policy of immigration and a Jewish state. there were riots in Jerusalem, Jaffra, and at the Western Wall. So for you to say that the notion of Arab Palestine beginning in the 1960's is pure fiction and a "flat-out lie" Also, consider that Emir Abdulah, later to become King of Hashemite Kingdom of Jordon, was assassinated for his policy of annexation of the West Bank, after submitting annexation papers to the UN in 1950. There is even more to the story after WW II. To say that the notion of Arab Palestine is a recent idea by the Arab world is fiction. So, I return to my original statement, the Palestinians and the Zionists are equally, embellishers.