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To: maceng2 who wrote (9846)	11/11/2001 12:29:13 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Someone mentioned earlier the contrast between how Clinton handled a scandal about his sex life vs. Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani, who was revealed to have a mistress, simply acknowledged it, and the questioning was at an end. He endured the embarrassment and shame like a real man, instead of lying, and perjuring himself. In a sense, we are beating a very dead horse, but as long as we are looking for "root causes" of the current conflict, can we avoid asking whether bin Laden and Al Qaeda formed their opinions about the United States government based on how Clinton handled himself and how he reacted to their activities?

To: maceng2 who wrote (9846)	11/11/2001 12:31:10 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Re morality and the press Just saw this on BBC. news.bbc.co.uk The chairman of the Press Complaints Commission, Lord Wakeham has condemned a judge's decision that stopped a newspaper from telling how a leading footballer had repeatedly committed adultery. He described it as an unprecedented attack on press freedom. Lord Wakeham wants the ruling to be overthrown Last week it emerged the footballer, who cannot be named, had obtained an injunction to stop the Sunday People publishing interviews with two women who claimed to have had affairs with him. Mr Justice Jack ruled that the law of confidentiality could apply to sexual relationships, whether or not the parties had expressly agreed to keep matters confidential. Not in the interests of the public or of anybody that this sort of gagging order should be there Lord Wakeham The People says it will fight what it calls a "scandalous gagging order" and Lord Wakeham told the BBC1 Breakfast with Frost programme it was an attack on press freedom which was "unprecedented in modern times". "I have no doubt, at least I have every expectation, that it will eventually be overthrown by the Court of Appeal," he said. "I cannot believe it won't be. But if it isn't, we have got a very serious problem. But even then, we have to wait a year before the Court of Appeal is even going to hear it. "It is a very very serious attack on the freedom of the press ... it is not in the interests of the public or of anybody that this sort of gagging order should be there. Free press is very important." Rightfully exposed Sunday editions of the newspaper published the report about the footballer's alleged two affairs, although it did not reveal the names of those supposedly involved. Sunday People editor Neil Wallis described the court ruling as "disgraceful" and said it was a threat "to all our freedom". People columnist, former MP David Mellor, also criticised the court ruling and said he was rightfully exposed by the press for infidelity when a Tory government minister. Mr Mellor wrote: "Society has much more to lose by not knowing what the rich and famous get up to."

To: maceng2 who wrote (9846)	11/11/2001 12:31:36 PM
From: Doug R	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

geez, individual likes and dislikes that represent basically incomprehensible underlying personal preferences based on the lowest common denominator of understanding representing foggy depictions of altruism and "progress" open the door to misunderstood influences upon societal direction that can lead to fractionalizing. At certain times within development of the human condition there will certainly be periods when monumental decisions are thrust upon us all. What is happening in Pakistan and Afghanistan is not really monumental. It is a minor tick on the charts. There are other...truly monumental aspects of human existance that will become clear in this century. Consider water...to start. Doug R

To: maceng2 who wrote (9846)	11/11/2001 3:19:09 PM
From: Cage Rattler	Read Replies (6) \| Respond to of 281500

Well be that as it may -- the point of my comment had to do with the perception of Clinton by the Islam. This is why acceptance of such behavior by the "American People" was a travesty. And that travesty in turn, speaks to American morality. Small wonder the "Big Satin" concept was such an easy sell. To me the point is a priori and unworthy of debate. Point to Ben Laden. Frankly, you would be hard pressed to find another politician of his stature that so closely paralleled the Islamic concept of Satin -- materialistic, immoral, and dishonest in every sense of the word. I am glad to say, Clinton does not represent my standards nor the standards of anyone with whom I willfully associate. Each to his own I guess.