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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (36647)	11/12/2001 7:09:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

The emotional toll they take on people is an emotional toll- not a logical one, or a physical one. What dies most painfully are the dreams of the baby, especially in early trimester miscarriages. Psychological pain is still psychological pain- but to set public policy by it, when there are great countermanding forces, seems strange. As for late trimester abortions (a rarity, and usually performed when the fetus is grossly deformed- and who could wish to force THAT kind of psychological pain on a mother?) they are not common enough that Karen was probably even addressing those. Most people think about the much more common early trimester abortions.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (36647)	11/12/2001 7:54:03 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Karen, how cold-hearted your post sounds. Not cold hearted. Rational. You'd be nuts to feel pain over a woman you might have married had she been allowed to be born decades earlier in some distant state. Or pain over a woman you didn't get to marry because she was never conceived because, after consideration of abortion, her older sister was carried to term after which her mother had her tubes tied because she had enough children. Or the woman who wasn't conceived because her father developed chicken pox. Or the woman you never met because she had the flu and didn't attend the party where she might have met you. Or the woman who didn't attend the party because she was murdered on the way by some gangster who might have been aborted but wasn't. You'd never know about any of those women. How can you feel loss over something that you have no way of knowing you might have had if fate had moved in some other direction. Of course women grieve over a miscarriage if they've lost something they care about. They have a relationship with that fetus--an interest in its survival. If, OTOH, they slough off an embryo while training for the Olympics and don't even know it, where's the loss? The pain? You can't feel the pain of loss over something you don't even know you've lost. Not if you're sane, anyway. I'm too well grounded to suffer pain over the loss of someone I might have cared about had I had the opportunity to meet him. Karen

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (36647)	11/13/2001 8:16:08 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Just one comment on your ill-judged, emotional and tangential rant... You must think it's okay for a pregnant teenager to snuff out the life of a fetus as it emerges in a toilet stall and stuff it in a garbage can. No, actually, that's one of the reasons I'd rather see abortion on demand. Every baby born should then be wanted by the mother. Disposal of living babies in garbage cans is what happens when abortion (and contraception) are not available, so an unwilling woman is forced to give birth to a child she does not want... Do you think that's OK?