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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (8777)	11/15/2001 8:05:04 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

<< It was a mistake to seize the opportunity to create a state and flood the Mandate with anyone who could make a half hearted claim to be a Jew (including atheists and a folks with a bankroll). >> After the Holocaust, the Jews probably felt that building a State, and increasing their numbers, was the only way they could protect Jews from another Holocaust. Do you feel that the Jews would have survived, if they had kept their numbers down, not created a state and left their existence up to the Arabs? << I do not agree with you that America is or should be a Christian country. >> There is a church on every friggin corner, in every friggin city, in every figgin state! There are almost more churches than McDonalds. I would say that this is a Christian country. << Folks can claim to be anything they like, but there are standards and I do not have to believe them. >> So, what are you saying, that some people are two faced? I agree. There are a lot of people who use a professed belief in Christianity for their own personal gain, especially politicians. But, for the most part, the majority of the religious faithful are true believers. One of the most interesting comments I have ever heard was by Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor. After all the murdering and torturing and suffering that he witnessed, he was asked how he could still believe in a god. His answer was: "I don't know what else to do". Figure that one out!

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (8777)	11/15/2001 8:07:03 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

anyone who could make a half hearted claim to be a Jew (including atheists and a folks with a bankroll).>>>> Can you find anything about religion in the piece below...Did Hitler offered to convert to Jews? Serbs can tell who is Croat and who is not, you can't... ibiscom.com From early morning until late at night we witnessed indescribable events. Armed SS soldiers, gendarmes, and 'blue police' ran through the city looking for Jews. Jews were assembled in the marketplace. The Jews were taken from their houses, barns, cellars, attics, and other hiding places. Pistol and gun shots were heard throughout the entire day. Sometimes hand grenades were thrown into the cellars. Jews were beaten and kicked; it made no difference whether they were men, women, or small children. "By 3 P.M. more than 900 Jews had been assembled. The Germans began moving them to the outskirts of the city. All had to walk except for members of the Judenrat and the Jewish police; they were allowed to use horse-drawn wagons. The action didn't stop even after they were taken out of town. The Germans still carried on the search for Jews. It was posted that the penalty for hiding Jews is death, but for showing their hiding places special rewards will be given. "All Jews will be shot. Between 400 and 500 have been killed. Poles were forced to begin digging graves in the Jewish cemetery. From information I received approximately 2,000 people are in hiding. The arrested Jews were loaded into a train at the railroad station to be moved to an unknown location. "It was a terrifying day, I cannot describe everything that took place.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (8777)	11/16/2001 11:24:48 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Putin.... Pogroms Return to Russia by MATT TAIBB thenation.com Excerpt: The Islamic leader Jamal ascribes to the former theory. He believes that the attacks were organized by Russian secret services, perhaps by the FSB, the successor to the KGB, as part of a new method for ridding the capital of "persons of Caucasian nationality." "Something on this scale could not have been done without the secret services," he said. "The object is clearly to incite the population against 'guests of the capital.'" "Sergei Mitrokhin, a Duma deputy for the liberal Yabloko party, agrees that he, too, cannot exclude the possibility that the skinheads are being used by the government "to undertake unusual political objectives." He sees disturbing historical precedents for exactly these kinds of tactics. "It is very convenient for an authoritarian government to have at its disposal these crowds of willing, young violent youths who will do just about anything you tell them to do," he said. "The same kinds of people were used for similar political ends in Germany in the 1930s." [...] ___________________