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To: AmericanVoter who wrote (223)	11/16/2001 11:11:13 AM
From: mrstevenson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 758

Mr. Alsuezi: I thank you for your kind response. You have indicated that ++++For a Muslim or a non-Muslim to understand Islam, he / she needs to learn about the five pillars of Islam. Then try to understand the Holy Qur’an I do understand the 5 pilars of Islam. In fact that is what I first started reading and understanding via the valuable resources you have provided in your introduction post. Then I started reading Quran, and that was where I was faced with the questions that I raised and posted to you. You, who is a strong believer of Islam, therefore must know the 5 pilars of Islam very well. Therefore my question to you is, how come you have not started reading Quran to understand it? Quran is the very book upon which Islam is based on. It is a collection of teachings that provide a framework for one to live his/her life. For a Moslem or a non-Moslem to understand the religion, he/she must understand Quran and what it says and what it talks about. You cannot separate Quran from Islam, it would be similar to separating a man's body from his soul. You have indicated that +++++Mr. Stevenson, the assumption that I understand Qur’an well is not correct. Believe you me, I wish that was, but it is not correct. Hence, I am unable to provide explanations to some of the questions that you and others post. I simply elect to believe that there must be some wisdom in it that I do not know at this time. With all due respect Mr Alsuezi (and I do have a great deal of respect for you sir), how can you believe in a faith if you do know what it talks about? I have asked you this before several times and I end up getting the same message that you (and most other Moslems) are following Quran's teachings simply because you believe it is written by God through Mohammad (his prophet), and regardless of what it says there must be some wisdom in it. In essence you are saying that your belief is in the assumption that Quran is from God, and no matter what it says you do not care or ask the wisdom behind what it says. If that is the case Mr. Alsuezi, then with all due respect you are following something blindly without knowing exactly what it is that you are following. God is great, and he has also given each of us intellect and wisdom to decide right from wrong. What you are implying (and apparently most Moslems that I have come across also are implying) is that you do not wish to use your own God given wisdom and intellect to distinguish between the right and the wrong. Instead you rely on Quran and its verses to tell you what to do without understanding why it is telling you to follow certain ways. Mohammad Atta and his 18 other tugs and murderers also elected to follow Quran without using their intellect and wisdom when they attacked WTC on Spetemeber 11. They elected to follow Qran's verses on the killing and destruction of non-Moslems. I am sure they knew what they were doing was wrong, yet they did it anyway because of the same logic you are using. That Quran is from God and there must be some wisdom behind its verses, which you do not understand (and in fact do not care to understand). You just follow them simply because you believe God has made those verses and there is a wisdom behind each of them! You tell me, where is the wisdom in instructing (or at best advising) a man to beat his wife if he feels she is not following his interpretation of Quran and Islam? Where is the wisdom in not giving the same right to a woman to beat her husband if she feels he is not following her interpretation of Islam and Quran? There must be a wisdom behind this according to you (which is meant to be for all ages and times till eternity for man to follow since Quran itself is a book for all ages and times), and I maybe blind to see it, and that is why I have asked that question. You have indicated that: ++++there is a lot more to Islam than few out of context verses … and when someone dwells on such verses, I have to question the reasons… Of course there is a lot more to Islam than just wife beating, or killing non-Moslems, etc. At the same time there are no such things as out of context verses. As you have also indicated every single verse in Quran has a wisdom behind it. Every single verse in Quran is meant to provide a guideline for a Moslem to live his/her life. Mr. Alsuezi, I feel you are insulting me and my intelligence (eventhough I do know that you are not doing this on purpose or intentionally). But I have asked a few questions from you (a Moslem who has started this board as a way to voice Islam's message to the world): Message 16654287 Message 16654298 Message 16657883 Message 16658311 And yet you fail to either offer some answers, or point me to where I can explore some answers for myself. I have gone through your links provided in your introduction post and none offer anything even close to providing an answer to my questions. Your response thus far has been that eventhough you do not know the answers to my questions, you believe them to be true to the point of following them without knowing why. You have also indicated that you believe they are from God and you do not wish to ask God's wisdom. This of course is fine, and I appreciate your honesty. Yet as a non-Moslem I feel I do need something more than just ”…take it as is. As I indicated, if the religion says that a Moslem man should beat his wife if she is not obeying him the way he wants her to do, then so be it. This is what the religion and faith says. You (and other Moslems) need not be defensive about it. If there are verses in Quran that says it is the duty of Moslems to kill and destroy non-Moslems then so be it. This is what the faith says. You as a Moselm should not be defensive about it. The color of a red rose is red. No matter what happens that color remains red. One who likes a red rose (and perhaps for its smell and not necessarily its color), should not be defensive about its color being Red. One should not defend the red color of a red rose as being a dark orange, or a light purple, or a combination of yellow and Orange and Purple, etc. There is nothing-wrong with a Red Rose being Red. It is just the way it is! Sincerely, Mr. S. Stevenson