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To: slacker711 who wrote (1696)11/16/2001 12:39:40 PM
From: Eric L  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9255
 
re: 7650 & 5210

<< 7650 & 5210 ... They look very cool. >>

They really do.

So far as I am concerned, color and keyboards are requisite for the mobile messaging world, and a joystick works for gamers and navigating screens. The camera may become requisite.

If the 7650 is tri-band I'll probably buy one for travel abroad.

If it is not I'll wait for a tri-band Communicator, or perhaps just opt out for the T68 (but again lack of keyboard a killer for me). Meantime I "tap" on the on screen keyboard of the KYO 6035.

<< I have a hard time believing that Nokia would release a high-end handset without GPRS. >>

Well ...

... the transition to "always on" packet data has not even really begun (outside of Korea & Japan) ...

... but GPRS devices are sure necessarry to move things along, for sure.

I'm pretty sure that the 7650 is Symbian OS and if GPRS it will be the earliest Symbian with GPRS and keyboard (I think).

I'm betting GPRS in the 7650, but less sure about 5210.

- Eric -



To: slacker711 who wrote (1696)11/16/2001 10:01:55 PM
From: Eric L  Respond to of 9255
 
"Ninja" and "Sunny"

mobil.cz

This sounds good:

* 176 x 208 barevný displej
* WAP 2.0 browser podporující XHTML
* MIDP Java (J2ME)
* MMS
* Symbian EPOC OS (6.x)
* GPRS

Note Symbian EPOC OS (6.x) AND GPRS

6,x must be 6.1 because GPRS wasn't in 6.0.

Still confused about which phone is which.

- Eric -



To: slacker711 who wrote (1696)11/24/2001 1:28:09 PM
From: Eric L  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9255
 
re: Vulture Central on Symbian with Nokia at the Helm

On Microsoft:

You'll notice we haven't mentioned The Beast yet. That's part of the bigger picture which we'll follow-up with in a sequel. Coming soon.

>> Nokia Takes Charge At Symbian

Andrew Orlowski
11/22/2001

Decoding mobile telecoms announcements has often required the skills of a Kremlinologist: working out who's up and who's down from dress details in the annual Politburo photograph.

During negotiations to set the 3G standard a few years ago, the warring parties fired long-range press releases at each other, indicated shifting loyalties with the most arcane announcements about voltages.

We'd barely finished parsing Nokia's Comdex announcements when we noticed that Symbian has a new-look mission statement, the first change to the text since mid-1998 when the company was founded. It isn't a ground-up rewrite, but it is subtly different, and provides a context for the platform pitch Nokia's CEO Jorma Ollila made at Comdex and re-emphasised in Barcelona this week.

Fishing the old Symbian mission statement out of Google's cache shows what's changed. Gone is the primary mission "to set the standard for mobile wireless operating systems". Gone too is the "Evangelizing standards" promise.

In its place, the new mission statement begins: "Symbian is a software licensing company, owned by wireless industry leaders, that is the trusted supplier of the advanced, open, standard operating system - Symbian OS - for data-enabled mobile phones."

Which is a lot clearer, at least. References to "wireless information devices" have been replaced by "phones", so everybody knows what they're talking about. This is significant when Wintel's idea of a wireless information device is something running a flavour of 802.11 wireless Ethernet.

Instant Message 


But companies don't usually change their mission statements unless there's an accompanying strategy shift, do they?

"The mission hasn't changed," Symbian's communications chief Paul Cockerton tells us. "Nokia is working very hard to attract developers to the Symbian platform, and we're going after licensees and technology partners too: with the networks such as Vodafone and Orange."

But isn't Nokia now performing much of the evangelising role that dropped out of Symbian's mission statement this week?

"Nokia are a very prominent brand," says Cockerton. Symbian has no bones to pick with its shareholders if the message is "appropriate". Symbian was and is in the OS business, so there's no change there.

While Nokia, Matsuishita, Sony-Ericsson, Motorola and Psion have roughly equal stakes, the Finns are leading from the front:

"Nokia has definitely taken charge," says Nomura analyst Keith Woolcock. "They'll take Symbian and run with it."

Which makes sense, he figures. "If you look at the industry now, only Nokia is making profits - it's the ubermensch."

With Symbian still collecting $5 for every phone, it's probably not going to mind too much about Nokia taking the credit. However the Finnish company's increased profile is bound to increase tensions with the other Symbian shareholders, thinks Canalys analyst Chris Jones.

"Nokia is flexing its muscles. There's no doubting its commitment to Symbian, but the question is its involvement as a level pegging shareholder with the other co-founders. The others may do something themselves or pull back their involvement."

Psion CEO David Levin last week rated the prospect of Psion selling its stake as likely - but for financial, rather than political reasons.

Last week's platform initiative by Nokia - with the backing of 20 carriers and handset rivals it will license the source code to everything except the air interfaces from the base OS North - was a momentous announcement, reckons Woolcock.

"You can license the air interfaces from Motorola or Ericsson or others, and the middleware and UI from Nokia. Add in an OS of your own or Symbian, and you have everything you need to make an advanced Nokia smartphone."

Headless 


Ah, the UI. In Barcelona this week at the launch of the Nokia 7650 phone, Nokia referred to the Series 60 user interface. The 7650 is a Symbian Pearl phone, but Pearl was always "headless" in terms of leaving the UI to licensees, says Cockerton - so don't read too much into that.

However, things seem to be moving on from the three family reference designs, or DFRDs (Device Family Reference Designs), which have been canned. Sources at one Symbian licensee tell us that the company's as-yet unannounced smartphone follows neither the Crystal, Quartz or Pearl designs, although it's very much based around the core Symbian OS.

Licensees prefer dining a la carte, rather than paying for a set menu.

Cockerton says the DFRDs are still current, but our money is on this line being one of these things that doesn't change, until it does. A bit like a mission statement.

You'll notice we haven't mentioned The Beast yet. That's part of the bigger picture which we'll follow-up with in a sequel. Coming soon. <<

The NEW Symbian Mission Statement

>> Powering the heart of the wireless community

Symbian is a software licensing company, owned by wireless industry leaders, that is the trusted supplier of the advanced, open, standard operating system - Symbian OS - for data-enabled mobile phones.

Symbian was established as a private independent company in June 1998 and is owned by Ericsson, Nokia, Matsushita (Panasonic), Motorola and Psion. Headquartered in the UK, it has offices in Japan, Sweden, UK and the USA.

Symbian has close to two decades of experience developing software technology for mobile computing devices and mobile phones.

Symbian's role as a driving force for the wireless industry is internationally recognized. This is reflected by key partnerships with leading-edge technology companies worldwide.

The world's first open Symbian OS phone became available in the first half of 2001:
the Nokia 9210 Communicator. <<

The OLD Symbian Mission Statement

>> Symbian's mission is to set the standard for mobile wireless operating systems and to enable a mass market for Wireless Information Devices.

The company aims to maximize long term value to its principal customers' businesses by:

Developing core software, application frameworks, applications and development tools for Wireless Information Devices.

Evangelizing standards for the interoperation of Wireless Information Devices with wireless networks, content services, messaging and enterprise wide solutions. <<

- Eric -