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To: Kevin Podsiadlik who wrote (134862)11/17/2001 2:22:15 AM
From: craig crawford  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164684
 
>> "A few thousand" sounds like you're trying to trivialize Kosovo <<

i'm not going to waste my time going through all of this again. if you and rdb are stupid enough to believe all the propaganda fed to you by the liberal elite media and propagandist, terrorist, war criminals such as nato, albright, clinton, and blair--then be my guest. i'm not going to waste my whole night posting 10 different links like i have before only to see you kosovo experts quietly fade away when i expose the truth.

here is but one example from a reputable london publication.

Serb killings 'exaggerated' by west
Claims of up to 100,000 ethnic Albanians massacred in Kosovo revised to under 3,000 as exhumations near end

guardian.co.uk

"The point is did we successfully pre-empt or not," Mark Laity, the acting Nato spokesman, said last night. "I think the evidence shows we did. We would rather be criticised for overestimating the numbers who died than for failing to pre-empt."
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When Yugoslav forces withdrew from Kosovo in June last year, Nato spokesmen estimated that the Serbs had killed at least 10,000 civilians. While the bombing was under way William Cohen, the US defence secretary, announced that 100,000 Kosovo Albanian men of military age were missing after being taken from columns of families being deported to Albania and Macedonia. "They may have been murdered," he said.
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"The final number of bodies uncovered will be less than 10,000 and probably more accurately determined as between two and three thousand," Paul Risley, the Hague tribunal's press spokesman, said yesterday.
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The exhumation of less than 3,000 bodies is sure to add fuel to those who say Nato's intervention against Yugoslavia was not "humanitarian" and that it had other motives such as maintaining its credibility in a post-cold war world. Others say Nato's air strikes revealed a grotesque double standard since western governments did nothing when hundreds of thousands were being massacred in Rwanda.

>> I freely admit I'm no foreign policy expert but surely there had to be other factors than just the raw populations involved. <<

why don't you haul war criminals like clinton, albright, and blair in front of a war crimes tribunal and ask them what their motives were.

>> But again, what's the difference to you? Isn't your stance that we shouldn't bother evaluating which case is a better use of our resources, and either take them all on (if we can), or ignore them all? <<

like i said, the hypocrisy shown by our despicable former president clinton is a prime reason why the world doesn't look favorably upon us. the world sees a bunch of hypocrites and we wonder why people dance in the streets when terrorists slaughter our people. if we are going to act self-righteous and intervene throughout the world on behalf of human rights we need to do it properly. do it right or don't do it at all. of course i believe we shouldn't get involved at all unless there is a direct national interest at stake, but i definitely don't believe we should go waging illegal wars to stop exaggerated claims of ethnic cleansing in one part of the world while ignoring a million people being slaughtered in another part of the world. we shouldn't slaughter a couple thousand inncoent women and children because we want to stop one man--slobodan milosevic. it reeks of hypocrisy and exposes our leaders true intentions. hegemony and imperialism, not freedom, liberty, and justice.



To: Kevin Podsiadlik who wrote (134862)11/17/2001 5:31:15 AM
From: craig crawford  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164684
 
Political power isn't everything
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As usual, a moment's thought reveals that putting truth first is the most practical thing we could do, and that the advocates of "practicality" at the expense of principle are -- at best -- playing the fool. If we compromise our national sense of moral common ground, we will lose all incentive to compromise on anything else. We will become a bunch of squabbling groups, completely caught up in our own separate identities and lacking any sense of common ground and common identity. Under such circumstances, the fashion of compromise will quickly yield to the hard reality of the "anything goes" approach to power. So those who are pretending to be in favor of a politics of compromise and opposed to "extremism" are actually pushing us toward a politics of greater extremism.
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Of course not. The compromise that our system of representative government constantly requires of its citizens depends entirely on the belief that our procedures of government, including the Constitution, are our best attempt to implement true principles of justice, best expressed in the Declaration of Independence.

That is why it is vitally important to our peace and to our decent spirit of compromise that we be uncompromising in our adherence to the basic principles that constitute our national identity. The heart of compromise is not the system, it is the moral principles we believe are embodied in the system. The real reason for our compromising spirit, when compromise is called for, is to perpetuate those principles.
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So when we are appealed to on behalf of "compromise" and "moderation" to seek agreement with our opponents, from where must our incentive finally come? It must come from the non-negotiable sense that the great principles on which the nation stands are principles that respect human rights and human dignity, and that embody an understanding of mankind that is true from the perspective stated in the Declaration of Independence

Why the Republicans lost
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What these leaders have done is to play the Democrat game for the past two-and-a-half years. Newt Gingrich thinks that he is going to out "New Deal" the New Dealers. He thinks that with small portions of tax bribes here and there, and by stitching together the various constituencies based on the "money is God" approach, Republicans can continue to win electoral victories.

It's not going to work. The Republican Party must be the party of moral vision and moral principle, or it will lose. And if we go on playing the old Democrat, materialist, New Deal, coalition game -- we will lose. And, sadly, I think that is what Newt Gingrich wants to try to do, and he will take the party to disaster. It is what G. W. Bush and the rest of the Clinton Republicans represent, and they will take the Republican Party to disaster. If we go down that road, it will be over.
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The results that we saw Tuesday for people like Matt Fong in California show that unprincipled, squishy-soft, "back away from the real issues" Republicans will not win. It is true that if we take a principled position we are still sometimes going to lose, as Jim Ross Lightfoot did in Iowa. But if the Republican leadership goes down this squishy-soft road, they will be sacrificing an historic opportunity. And that is certainly what they have been desperately trying to do for the last several years.

And believe me, if they keep moving in this direction -- the unprincipled, power-mongering, New Deal direction, with the motto: "let's be Republicans but have a Democrat agenda and heart" -- then in the year 2000 they will suffer real and stunning defeat. They will lose the Congress and they will lose the presidency.
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If the Republicans continue to imitate the Democrats in their approach to politics, as they have been increasingly doing, they will become a party composed only of the half-hearted, the unprincipled, and those who are willing to do whatever it takes for the sake of power. Such a party will not perform the historic role that is needed to save this Republic.

The dangers of 'pragmatism'
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Monday's speech does indeed appear to have been the launch of a full-throttle strategic shift for Senator Ashcroft, and I find it very disturbing. The reports that I have seen suggest that, consistent with much of the post-election media and liberal spin, the senator has formed the totally wrong interpretation that that any serious Republican presidential contender must move to the left and begin to prove that he doesn't care nearly as much about moral matters as he might have said he did before.

The key to Republican victory
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Some people think that Republicans should only talk about the things that we, as they say, "agree on." This is code for the suppression of the moral questions that matter most, in hopes of achieving electoral success and triumph of the Republican agenda. Abortion and other nasty and divisive moral topics are to be avoided, so that Republicans can win on tax and budget issues, and achieve an overall rollback of federal power.

Let's examine this strategy for Republican political success. What are the things we Republicans all allegedly "agree on"? I can tell you quite briefly. One simple principle runs through every part of the agenda that the Republican Party agrees on. We believe in the people's ability and capacity to govern themselves. Democrats believe only in the power of government. It is that simple.
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Two consecutive Republican presidential candidates have been defeated because they acted as if the moral heart of the Republican Party was the black sheep of the family. A congressional majority that could have faced down the depravity of the Clinton White House has been almost entirely squandered. I am tired of hearing those who have lead us to defeat after defeat in the post-Reagan years lecture the moral conservatives in the Republican Party about how to win. If the Republican Party wants to rally truly effective support for its agenda of limiting government and enabling economic enterprise -- and it certainly should and must -- then it must turn with courage and confidence to the task of reminding the citizens of this nation of the moral foundations of responsible self-government.

Standing on principle
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An article appeared in Tuesday's Washington Times with the headline, "GOP frontrunners back off hot button: soft-pedal abortion, gun control issues." The article discusses the positions of George W. Bush and Elizabeth Dole, and says that those two "inch away from strict pro-life, anti-gun control positions." This tactic is justified, the camps of the two candidates claim, because the grass roots of the Republican Party no longer care about these issues, and it is accordingly safe for candidates to move to the center. And, of course, they have their own pollsters supporting them by producing polls supposedly demonstrating this decline in interest.
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I don't believe that many real moral conservative leaders have to pay supporters to come to their gatherings, because those supporters are generally eager to come show their support for the agenda of moral renewal. As I travel around the country I find that people are hungry for leaders who will take a stand on the key moral issues of our time, and are so disgusted by the squishy positions taken by the so-called "front runners" and "leaders" that they are completely turned off and dropping out if they don't think there is a real alternative.

Why Bush fails my litmus test
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I got an e-mail the other day from someone urging me to get behind George W. Bush so that the Republicans could unite behind someone (anyone?) and, supposedly, win the presidency.

I have said for months that I simply would not support George W. Bush. My decision was confirmed again this week when Bush announced that as president he would not have a "pro-life litmus test" for his judicial nominations. Of course, Gore and Clinton will put death-dealers on the Court no matter what, and make it very clear that this is what they are going to do. So why should those of us who understand the devastation that our abandonment of moral principle is causing in American life and conscience be expected to put up with so-called "pro-life" Republicans who simply decline to oppose the culture of death by straightforwardly championing the agenda of life?
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Beyond the specific question of judicial appointments, Bush is no better. He has essentially dismissed the project of seeking a Human Life Amendment to the Constitution because he says the American people won't accept it. This means that he decides what is necessary for the future of the country based on popularity and polls -- just like Bill Clinton. The fact that our abandonment of our most basic moral principles is destroying our conscience, destroying our principles, undermining our sense of moral self-confidence, and thus contributing to the surrender of self-government and rights on all fronts isn't even on his mind.

Mr. Bush's statement that he will impose no litmus test shows that in his political role he is fundamentally unprincipled. His entire discussion of abortion includes no references whatsoever to the great American principles that ought to be most telling upon one's judgment when it comes to constitutional issues. He has taken on consultants and advisors who have put into his head what he has to say -- formulae for expressing himself -- that have nothing to do, in fact, with the great context of American life and justice.
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This refusal to serve our heritage is what distinguishes Bush and most of the rest of the politicians of our day from those who really rose to the level of statesmanship required for great leadership in American life -- the Founders, Lincoln, and even Ronald Reagan. For such men there was a constant need to refer, in one form or another, to the overarching truths that had been expressed and put in place at the beginning of America to guide our conscience and to shape our sense of justice and rights in the context of American life.

But what about winning elections? Isn't it time, as my e-mail correspondent asked, that we get serious about winning?
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The Republican Party will continue to lose ground until it remembers that a lack of conviction leads ultimately to a lack of success. How many times will Republicans have to be smacked over the head with this truth before they finally get it? I would think that two or three defeats at the presidential level, and hanging by our fingernails to a razor-thin margin in the Congress thanks to congressional leaders who practice the "go-along to get-along," "stand for nothing," approach, would teach people a lesson. But the George W. frenzy suggests otherwise
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There is a painful irony in the suggestion that we should put aside truth, principle and what is best for the country in order to try to "unite the Republican Party" behind an blank banner, and a man who is willing to fill up his speeches with whatever formula he thinks is going to do the most polling good. The George W. Bush movement really shouldn't object to Bill Clinton. If we are willing to follow people with the Machiavellian, time-serving mentality, Clinton has proven himself to be a master at it. Perhaps we should just repeal all the technicalities about serving third terms and work to have both parties nominate Slick Willie one more time. Then both parties would win.

As I have said before, the George W. Bush movement is the Republican wing of the Clinton movement. The real Bush supporters are those who think it is not government's place to stand for those principles which defend the basic rights which come to us from God. They say these are difficult issues, which is what was said a century and more ago about slavery. But slavery was never a difficult issue in light of our Declaration principles, and neither is abortion. When we temporize with abortion, what we are confessing is that we have a greater heart for injustice than we do for American principle. I think that is true of G.W. Bush, and it is why I will not back him.



To: Kevin Podsiadlik who wrote (134862)11/17/2001 5:48:09 AM
From: craig crawford  Respond to of 164684
 
"We live in an age of science and of abounding accumulation of material things. These did not create our Declaration. Our Declaration created them. The things of the spirit come first. Unless we cling to that, all our material prosperity, overwhelming though it appear, will turn to a barren scepter in our grasp. If we are to maintain the great heritage which has been bequeathed to us, we must be like-minded as the fathers who created it. We must not sink into a pagan materialism. ... We must cultivate the reverence which they had for the things which are holy. We must follow the spiritual and moral leadership which they showed."

--Calvin Coolidge on the 150th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence



To: Kevin Podsiadlik who wrote (134862)11/17/2001 10:46:09 PM
From: craig crawford  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164684
 
Arguing abortion
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As anyone who has insisted on raising the issue of the right to life in the public arena knows, the pressure to keep silent on the issue can be intense, particularly from political allies who smell victory if we can just avoid certain uncomfortable topics. This siren song is being heard again these days, as G. W. Bush signals furiously that he will do whatever is necessary to avoid "risking" defeat for the party by being "judgmental" of his fellow citizens.

Bush Republicans are fooling themselves in their insistence that, if a few pro-life leaders would be silent, the Republican Party would have clear sailing to victory. It is not a few pro-life leaders who are keeping this issue on the table, any more than it was Lincoln who kept the issue of slavery before the nation in the years before the Civil War. Republicans yearning for comfortable victory can struggle with the fact all they like, but it is the Declaration of Independence that burdens this country with the abortion issue. The Declaration is our burden to carry -- and we will carry it to glory, or to perdition, but we cannot lay it down.

I know that many Americans, many Republicans, wish to do so. But they should look back at their own history, because they are placing themselves in the tradition of those who avoided facing up to the need for racial justice in this century, and of those who avoided the need to fight the institution of slavery in the 19th century.
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They cannot avoid this challenge, because I, with many just and decent people in this country, will continue to raise it. Even, or especially, at moments when political success or failure at the polls is supposedly at stake, we will continue to make the argument from principle. And we will make a better argument than the defenders of abortion, because we have the self-evident truth of the principle of human equality on our side. If our opponents disagree, they are welcome to join the debate and make their case. We will go before the American people, who will eventually decide the question in light of the Declaration principles that still form the conscience of this people.

Fateful time for America
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It's time we saw what's coming. The Republican Party is in trouble. Many people in its leadership do not understand the depth of that trouble and if they don't wake up before it's too late, the party will, in this election, be destroyed. The Republican Party leadership now closing ranks around George W. Bush appears to believe that it can abandon our national moral principles. They are attempting to jettison the pro-life plank and place a pro-abortion nominee on the national ticket, believing that the Republican ground troops and the American people overall will still support the GOP because it is the 'lesser of evils.'

The correct word for this attitude is "presumption." The Republican Party backroom strategists are presuming that the party's conservative base will ultimately choose to seek political victory even at the expense of abandoning the deepest moral principles of American life. They may be surprised to find out just how stubborn a people of faith can be when its leaders attempt to lead it into sin.

I, for one, would rather merely watch the triumph of evil in sorrow than be implicated in helping bring about that triumph. There are millions of other Americans who understand that, whether as man or as citizen, our responsibility requires that we stand firm where God wants us to stand. If the Republican Party refuses to stand there, we will not join them in their abandonment of truth.

I know that fear of Al Gore is supposed to keep us on the reservation. We are told that if we only give-up a little bit of the truth and sacrifice a bit of principle we can get most of what we want. But the abandonment of principle will eventually receive its just recompense; the laws of nature and of a just God simply will not permit a people that has abandoned the discipline of justice to continue enjoying the blessings of liberty. The only thing that we will accomplish by voting for a squishy compromise that has abandoned the truth is to stand on the day after judgment on the wrong side of God's hand.

We must believe that if we find it in our hearts to stand firm we will find also a strength sufficient to move this nation in the right direction. There is no other solution. Putting a pro-abort on the ticket or weakening the pro-life plank in order to attract new voters to join the lukewarm Republican Party will not work. It will bring us instead the dual defeat of moral collapse and electoral disaster. And the only fruit of our willingness to "compromise" will be that, instead of being proud of upholding a standard that we trust will ultimately prevail, we'll just have to be ashamed of ourselves.

I'd rather stand for what's right -- even if that cause temporarily loses -- and wake-up the day after an election knowing that my soul is still in God's hands. That's an infinitely better course than to compromise what's right, lose anyway, and wake-up after an election having neither victory nor God's favor.
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We will succeed only if we make the powerbrokers around Bush understand that if they abandon the truth, then, when the smoke clears in November, many millions of voters they are counting on will have abandoned them. We must make clear to them that a Republican Party which abandons conservative principle will never again win a major election in this country.



To: Kevin Podsiadlik who wrote (134862)11/18/2001 2:32:35 AM
From: craig crawford  Respond to of 164684
 
Party of politics or principle?
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Republicans preparing to gather in Philadelphia next week for the party's national convention have electoral success very much on their mind. The theme seems to be that political principle is all very well, and can even be a good thing -- in its place. There will no doubt even be a speaking slot or two reserved at the convention for appropriately restrained representatives of the view that being right is both more important than and essential to winning elections. But in ways large and small the impression is given, reinforced, and confirmed that the convention planners, and the Bush campaign strategists, are resolved to pull the fangs of what they like to call "ideology." The goal seems to be the cultivation of a thoroughly tame moral conservatism, one that can safely be permitted to pretend that it is still dominant in the party.

Like the impotent Roman Senate in the age of the absolute power of the emperor, some appearance of moral conservative influence will remain for a while. But the strategists of smiley-face Republican pragmatism do not intend to share power. They have no intention of "risking" to Al Gore the undecided voters presumed to occupy an anti-ideological middle, merely to preserve the purity of the party's conscience. They have their eyes set on success at the ballot box, whatever the cost. Presenting principles or standards of what "success" would mean in governance is not on the program.

The future of the Republican Party is entirely dependent upon what happens at the convention. If the party stays true to itself and its principles with a platform that is solidly conservative across the board and a ticket that retains conservative commitments, especially on the moral issues, then we can move forward to try to make the most of things in the fall. If the convention is dominated by back room calculations that leave us with either a platform or a ticket that doesn't reflect the moral truths that are essential to the preservation of liberty, the party will be deservedly torn apart.

Delegates to the convention, and the many grassroots Republicans who will also be in town, need to decide what role they will play in the drama that will unfold in Philadelphia. Conventions can be manipulated in many ways, but if the party membership refuses to be manipulated, the convention will reflect the heart of the party and the worst result can be avoided.

At the convention we will discover whether the Republican Party still has the character it takes to choose the right path, instead of the apparently expedient path. There is only one thing that the power brokers will be unable to overcome in their desire to saddle us with a pro-abortion running mate, or a pro-abortion platform -- thousands of delegates and activists who understand that electoral success is ultimately meaningless except in the service of the truth. I believe that even with the manipulation of expectations by big money, party bosses, and big media, the delegates coming to Philadelphia will be overwhelmingly people who understand the real components of human -- and therefore, of political -- success. The convention hall will be filled for the most part with men and women who know that success is not marked just by constant applause and popularity, but by a constant sense that there are convictions that matter, truths that command allegiance, and a substance to life that goes beyond what we ordinarily think of as success.

The survival of American liberty depends on the survival of a political party dedicated to the truth in something like the way that the men who gathered in Philadelphia two centuries earlier were dedicated to it. We cannot fend off the dry rot of licentious indulgence without a party that openly and unashamedly carries the banner for doing what is right even when it doesn't feel good or promise immediate gratification.

Political parties are not people, of course, and do not strictly speaking have "character." Character is the accumulated confidence that individual men and women acquire from years of doing the right thing, over and over again, even when they don't feel like it. People with character understand that their lives are filled with events and choices that are significant, above all, not because of the short term success or failure of the search for money or position, but because the choices we make are actually making us into one kind of person, or another. Our life of choices is a life-long labor to make ourselves into a person who has begun to respond adequately to the awesome gift we received from God when He made us in His image.

A man of character lives in the hope that there will be deeds in his life when the line between right and wrong was presented to him and he decided to do, at whatever cost, just what he thought was right. Many times such choices do not concern matters crucial in themselves. But the morally awake man understands that on those moments of choice, whenever and however often they come, depends the entire question of his ultimate worth in his own eyes. He anticipates his own latter days, when the particular concerns of the passing days of his life have moved beyond memory, and he is left alone with the cumulative fact of how well he measured up to the standards that do not fade. A nation of character is filled with citizens who gradually build lives based on the living awareness that their deeds are judged by eyes of unchanging truth, by a will that is the real measure of what is right, and therefore of what is good.

A people that can stand up to that test is very unlikely to meet with any serious disappointments, and can have a constant hope of real success even in this life. And a political party that has the wisdom or good fortune to draw on such a people for its membership can hope to be truly a party of character, and of real success.

Eyes blinded by the sunshine of our material success, Republican elites forget these perennial truths, and are tempted to wander off toward the mirage of the cheap victory. The temptation grows to seek electoral success through the quick fix of capitulation to our morally weaker brethren. This strategy suits the power brokers and big money interests just fine -- they are equally blind to the beauty and the permanence of real character. We have reached the point where few of those in the halls of so-called power have any real sense of the awesome force that is available to them if they would only consent to join, perhaps even to lead, the patient march toward character that the common people of America have trod so long and so well.

I believe that the delegates to the Republican convention have what may be our last chance for a long time -- possibly forever -- to turn the attention of America away from the temptations of victory at any price, and of a politics wholly devoted to the refinements of Clintonesque deceit and posturing. GOP executives are determined to conduct not a real convention, but a spectacle in which character plays no definitive role. There are to be no hard choices, no challenges to mind or heart, no awkward insistence on distinguishing between the easy and the good. Part of the script may well include throwing just enough bones to the pro-life majority of the delegates that they will be reluctant to "spoil the party" by asking hard questions.

What we can be sure of is the official message will claim that victory is more important than principle, and that electoral success is more important than the character of the party. Even if the running mate is nominally pro-life, and the platform retains its pro-life plank, the GOP leadership intends to have made it very clear that these things are not the result of the choice of a party firmly resolved to do the right thing for its own sake. They are tactical necessities, to which the nominee need be neither firmly attached nor firmly opposed, and because it has not been openly rejected, the pro-life community is expected to be grateful enough at least to continue working toward what really matters, which is winning at the ballot box in November.

The party can struggle on with a pro-life running mate and a pro-life plank. But if these things are preserved in a way that does not forcefully repudiate the impression that they are actually negotiable, and next time might be given up, then the real battle will have been lost. The delegates in Philadelphia must not sell their souls, but show their character. They must insist that the point be made that the Republican party is pro-life, its platform is pro-life, and its ticket must be pro-life, not because some agreement was reached in Philadelphia or because victory seems more likely that way, and certainly not as a boon from the congenial and compassionate nominee.

The delegates' duty is to surprise the back room gang with a demonstration of character that does not serve a GOP strategy of fool-the-voter. It must be made clear to Bush throughout the convention that despite his facile rhetoric of the possibility of compromise on the moral heart of the party, he has no such option. The Republican Party must remain a party of character. It will do so if the men and women of character who assemble in Philadelphia show their supposed leaders how grown-ups conduct their affairs -- by doing the right thing, because it is the right thing, and trusting confidently in God to reward the right in His own good time.

Former Reagan administration official Alan Keyes, was U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Social and Economic Council and 2000 Republican presidential candidate.