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To: Bag of Pucks who wrote (136)11/16/2001 9:46:38 PM
From: 10K a day  Respond to of 1003
 
Dude. That is a hell of an idea.



To: Bag of Pucks who wrote (136)11/17/2001 12:13:51 AM
From: (Bob) Zumbrunnen  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1003
 
I'm not a techie but what i'm suggesting is that people accessing 'different' message boards, will actually be reading and posting on a common platform and accessing a common platform. Is this feasible?

Very feasible. And I suspect that what you're talking about is exactly why they finally got around to normalizing the way the interface is dealt with.

That or they finally realized what an unmaintainable mess it all is/was and made the changes in the interest of salvaging what little sanity the programmers still possessed.

If it's the former, I'm still not optimistic they can pull it off. Especially since if they're considering doing that, they're certainly not the only ones. For example, though my Talkzilla project isn't about stocks specifically, a central part of it is the ability to have multiple sites display exactly the same message boards but with aspects of the interface that are unique to each site. Without someone at the other site having to make programming changes.

I'd bet money nobody at SI knows how to pull this off without "cheating" and just redirecting URLs to make it look like other sites have their own message boards. But it's very do-able. A kind of distributed-centralized hybrid we used to do in the BBS days.



To: Bag of Pucks who wrote (136)11/17/2001 10:28:59 AM
From: Don Pueblo  Respond to of 1003
 
Excellent idea! I would vote for the site to work properly in the first place of course, otherwise it would be just another half-a**ed User Interface interrupted by error messages and timeouts.



To: Bag of Pucks who wrote (136)11/17/2001 4:03:35 PM
From: Venditâ„¢  Respond to of 1003
 
SI should package the site out to brokerage houses like an ASP model.

On the surface your idea has some merit but after some careful thought I suspect that the legal liability exposure for the houses would greatly outweigh any house enhancement value if they were to partner with ANY message forum.

There may also be some SEC regulations that would prohibit such a business relationship. If I have some time tomorrow I will search the regs to see if I am correct.

I'm not a techie but what i'm suggesting is that people accessing 'different' message boards, will actually be reading and posting on a common platform and accessing a common platform. Is this feasible?

I am certain that the above could easily be done although I am not sure how high the flames would fly by mixing SI, Yahoo and Raging Bulls members on one common site. More liability issues IMO.

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To: Bag of Pucks who wrote (136)11/17/2001 4:30:51 PM
From: Venditâ„¢  Respond to of 1003
 
General Rules and Regulations
promulgated
under the
Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Rule 10b-1 -- Prohibition of Use of Manipulative or Deceptive Devices or Contrivances with Respect to Certain Securities Exempted from Registration
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The term manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance, as used in section 10(b), is hereby defined to include any act or omission to act with respect to any security exempted from the operation of section 12(a) pursuant to any section in this part which specifically provides that this section shall be applicable to such security if such act or omission to act would have been unlawful under section 9(a), or any rule or regulation heretofore or hereafter prescribed thereunder, if done or omitted to be done with respect to a security registered on a national securities exchange, and the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce or of the mails or of any facility of any national securities exchange to use or employ any such device or contrivance in connection with the purchase or sale of any such security is hereby prohibited.
law.uc.edu

Rule 10b-3 -- Employment of Manipulative and Deceptive Devices by Brokers or Dealers
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It shall be unlawful for any broker or dealer, directly or indirectly, by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce, or of the mails, or of any facility of any national securities exchange, to use or employ, in connection with the purchase or sale of any security otherwise than on a national securities exchange, any act, practice, or course of business defined by the Commission to be included within the term "manipulative, deceptive, or other fraudulent device or contrivance", as such term is used in section 15(c) of the act.

It shall be unlawful for any municipal securities dealer directly or indirectly, by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce, or of the mails, or of any facility of any national securities exchange, to use or employ, in connection with the purchase or sale of any municipal security, any act, practice, or course of business defined by the Commission to be included within the term "manipulative, deceptive, or other fraudulent device or contrivance," as such term is used in section 15(c)(1) of the act.
law.uc.edu

No broker or dealer shall make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce to effect any transaction in, or to induce or attempt to induce the purchase or sale of, any security (other than commercial paper, bankers' acceptances, or commercial bills) otherwise than on a national securities exchange of which it is a member by means of any manipulative, deceptive, or other fraudulent device or contrivance.

No municipal securities dealer shall make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce to effect any transaction in, or to induce or attempt to induce the purchase or sale of, any municipal security by means of any manipulative, deceptive, or other fraudulent device or contrivance.

No government securities broker or government securities dealer shall make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce to effect any transaction in, or to induce or attempt to induce the purchase or sale of, any government security by means of any manipulative, deceptive, or other fraudulent device or contrivance.

The Commission shall, for the purposes of this paragraph, by rules and regulations define such devices or contrivances as are manipulative, deceptive, or otherwise fraudulent.

The Commission shall, prior to adopting any rule or regulation under subparagraph (C), consult with and consider the views of the Secretary of the Treasury and each appropriate regulatory agency. If the Secretary of the Treasury or any appropriate regulatory agency comments in writing on a proposed rule or regulation of the Commission under such subparagraph (C) that has been published for comment, the Commission shall respond in writing to such written comment before adopting the proposed rule. If the Secretary of the Treasury determines, and notifies the Commission, that such rule or regulation, if implemented, would, or as applied does

adversely affect the liquidity or efficiency of the market for government securities; or

impose any burden on competition not necessary or appropriate in furtherance of the purposes of this section,

the Commission shall, prior to adopting the proposed rule or regulation, find that such rule or regulation is necessary and appropriate in furtherance of the purposes of this section notwithstanding the Secretary's determination.

No broker or dealer shall make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce to effect any transaction in, or to induce or attempt to induce the purchase or sale of, any security (other than an exempted security or commercial paper, bankers' acceptances, or commercial bills) otherwise than on a national securities exchange of which it is a member, in connection with which such broker or dealer engages in any fraudulent, deceptive, or manipulative act or practice, or makes any fictitious quotation.

No municipal securities dealer shall make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce to effect any transaction in, or to induce or attempt to induce the purchase or sale of, any municipal security in connection with which such municipal securities dealer engages in any fraudulent, deceptive, or manipulative act or practice, or makes any fictitious quotation.

No government securities broker or government securities dealer shall make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce to effect any transaction in, or induce or attempt to induce the purchase or sale of, any government security in connection with which such government securities broker or government securities dealer engages in any fraudulent, deceptive, or manipulative act or practice, or makes any fictitious quotation.

The Commission shall, for the purposes of this paragraph, by rules and regulations define. and prescribe means reasonably designed to prevent, such acts and practices as are fraudulent, deceptive, or manipulative and such quotations as are fictitious.

The Commission shall, prior to adopting any rule or regulation under subparagraph (C) consult with and consider the views of the Secretary of the Treasury and each appropriate regulatory agency'. If the Secretary of the Treasury' or any appropriate regulatory agency comments in writing on a proposed rule or regulation of the Commission under such subparagraph (C) that has been published for comment, the Commission shall respond in writing to such written comment before adopting the proposed rule. If the Secretary of the Treasury determines, and notifies the Commission, that such rule or regulation, if imple-mented, would, or as applied does

adversely affect the liquidity or efficiency of the market for government securities; or

impose any burden on competition not necessary or appropriate in furtherance of the purposes of this section,

the Commission shall, prior to adopting the proposed rule or regulation, find that such rule or regulation is necessary and appropriate in furtherance of the purposes of this section notwithstanding the Secretary's determination.

No broker or dealer (other than a government securities broker or government securities dealer, except a registered broker or dealer) shall make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce to effect any transaction in, or to induce or attempt to induce the purchase or sale of, any security (other than an exempted security (except a government security) or commercial paper, bankers' acceptances, or commercial bills) in contravention of such rules and regulations as the Commission shall prescribe as necessary or appropriate in the public interest or for the protection of investors to provide safeguards with respect to the financial responsibility and related practices of brokers and dealers including, but not limited to, the acceptance of custody and use of customers' securities and the carrying and use of customers' deposits or credit balances. Such rules and regulations shall

require the maintenance of reserves with respect to customers' deposits or credit balances, and

no later than September 1, 1975,
establish minimum financial responsibility requirements for all brokers and dealers.

If the Commission finds, after notice and opportunity for a hearing, that any person subject to the provisions of section 12, 13, 14, or subsection (d) of section 15 of this title or any rule or regulation thereunder has failed to comply with any such provision, rule, or regulation in any material respect, the Commission may publish its findings and issue an order requiring such person, and any person who was a cause of the failure to comply due to an act or omission the person knew or should have known would contribute to the failure to comply, to comply, or to take steps to effect compliance, with such provision or such rule or regulation thereunder upon such terms and conditions and within such time as the Commission may specify in such order.

No dealer (other than a specialist registered on a national securities exchange) acting in the capacity of market maker or otherwise shall make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce to effect any transaction in, or to induce or attempt to induce the purchase or sale of, any security (other than an exempted security or a municipal security) in contravention of such specified and appropriate standards with respect to dealing as the Commission, by rule, shall prescribe as necessary or appropriate in the public interest and for the protection of investors, to maintain fair and orderly markets, or to remove impediments to and perfect the mechanism of a national market system. Under the rules of the Commission a dealer in a security may be prohibited from acting as a broker in that security.

No broker or dealer shall make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce to effect any transaction in, or to induce or attempt to induce the purchase or sale of, any security (other than an exempted security, municipal security, commercial paper, bankers' acceptances, or commercial bills) in contravention of such rules and regulations as the Commission shall prescribe as necessary or appropriate in the public interest and for the protection of investors or to perfect or remove impediments to a national system for the prompt and accurate clearance and settlement of securities transactions, with respect to the time and method of, and the form and format of documents used in connection with, making settlements of and payments for transactions in securities, making transfers and deliveries of securities, and closing accounts. Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed

to affect the authority of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, pursuant to section 7 of this title, to prescribe rules and regulations for the purpose of preventing the excessive use of credit for the purchase or carrying of securities, or

to authorize the Commission to prescribe rules or regulations for such purpose.

In connection with any bid for or purchase of a government security related to an offering of govetnment securities by or on behalf of an issuer, no government securities brocer, government securities dealer, or bidder for or purchaser of securities in such offering shall knowingly or willfully make any false or misleading written statement or omit any fact necessary to make any written statement made not misleading.

Prohibition of referral fees.--No broker or dealer, or person associated with a broker or dealer, may solicit or accept, directly or indirectly, remuneration for assisting an attroney in obtaining the representation of any person in any private action arising under this title or under the Securities Act of 1933.

Each issuer which has filed a registration statement containing an undertaking which is or becomes operative under this subsection as in effect prior to the date of enactment of the Securities Acts Amendments of 1964, and each issuer which shall after such date file a registration statement which has become effective pursuant to the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, shall file with the Commission, in accordance with such rules and regulations as the Commission may prescribe as necessary or appropriate in the public interest or for the protection of investors, such supplementary and periodic information, documents, and reports as may be required pursuant to section 13 of this title in respect of a security registered pursuant to section 12 of this title. The duty to file under this subsection shall be automatically suspended if and so long as any issue of securities of such issuer is registered pursuant to section 12 of this title. The duty to file under this subsection shall also be automatically suspended as to any fiscal year, other than the fiscal year within which such registration statement became effective, if, at the beginning of such fiscal year, the securities of each class to which the registration statement relates are held of record by less than three hundred persons. For the purposes of this subsection, the term "class" shall be construed to include all securities of an issuer which are of substantially similar character and the holders of which enjoy substantially similar rights and privileges. The Commission may, for the purpose of this subsection, define by rules and regulations the term "held of record" as it deems necessary or appropriate in the public interest or for the protection of investors in order to prevent circumvention of the provisions of this subsection. Nothing in this subsection shall apply to securities issued by a foreign government or political subdivision thereof.

The Commission, by rule, as it deems necessary or appropriate in the public interest and for the protection of investors or to assure equal regulation, may require any member of a national securities exchange not required to register under section 15 of this title and any person associated with any such member to comply with any provision of this title (other than section 15(a)) or the rules or regulations thereunder which by its terms regulates or prohibits any act, practice, or course of business by a "broker or dealer" or "registered broker or dealer" or a "person associated with a broker or dealer," respectively.

Every registered broker or dealer shall establish, maintain, and enforce written policies and procedures reasonably designed, taking into consideration the nature of such broker's or dealer's business, to prevent the misuse in violation of this title, or the rules or regulations thereunder, of material, nonpublic information by such broker or dealer or any person associated with such broker or dealer. The Commission, as it deems necessary or appropriate in the public interest or for the protection of investors, shall adopt rules or regulations to require specific policies or procedures reasonably designed to prevent misuse in violation of this title (or the rules or regulations thereunder) of material, nonpublic information.

Requirements for Transactions in Penny Stocks.--

In General.--No broker or dealer shall make use of the mails or any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce to effect any transaction in, or to induce or attempt to induce the purchase or sale of, any penny stock by any customer except in accordance with the requirements of this subsection and the rules and regulations prescribed under this subsection.

Risk disclosure with respect to penny stocks.--Prior to effecting any transaction in any penny stock, a broker or dealer shall give the customer a risk disclosure document that--

contains a description of the nature and level of risk in the market for penny stocks in both public offerings and secondary trading;

contains a description of the broker's or dealer's duties to the customer and of the rights and remedies available to the customer with respect to violations of such duties or other requirements of Federal securities laws;

contains a brief, clear, narrative description of a dealer market, including "bid" and "ask" prices for penny stocks and the significance of the spread between the bid and ask prices;

contains the toll free telephone number for inquiries on disciplinary actions established pursuant to section 15A(i) of this title;

defines significant terms used in the disclosure document or in the conduct of trading in penny stocks; and

contains such other information, and is in such form (including language, type size, and format), as the Commission shall require by rule or regulation.

Commission rules relating to disclosure.--The Commission shall adopt rules setting forth additional standards for the disclosure by brokers and dealers to customers of information concerning transactions in penny stocks. Such rules--

shall require brokers and dealers to disclose to each customer, prior to effecting any transaction in, and at the time of confirming any transaction with respect to any penny stock, in accordance with such procedures and methods as the Commission may requires consistent with the public interest and the protection of investors--

the bid and ask prices for penny stock, or such other information as the Commission may, by rule, require to provide customers with more useful and reliable information relating to the price of such stock.

the number of shares to which such bid and ask prices apply, or other comparable information relating to the depth and liquidity of the market for such stock; and

the amount and a description of any compensation that the broker or dealer and the associated person thereof will receive or has received in connection with such transaction;

shall require brokers and dealers to provide, to each customer whose account with the broker or dealer contains penny stocks, a monthly statement indicating the market value of the penny stocks in that account or indicating that the market value of such stock cannot be determined because of the unavailability of firm quotes; and

may, as the Commission finds necessary or appropriate in the public interest or for the protection of investors, require brokers and dealers to disclose to customers additional information concerning transactions in penny stocks.

Exemptions.--The Commission, as it determines consistent with the public interest and the protection of investors, may by rule, regulation, or order exempt in whole or in part, conditionally or unconditionally, any person or class of persons, or any transaction or class of transactions, from the requirements of this subsection. Such exemptions shall include an exemption for brokers and dealers based on the minimal percentage of the broker's or dealer's commissions, commission-equivalents, and markups received from transactions in penny stocks.

Regulations.--It shall be unlawful for any person to violate such rules and regulations as the Commission shall prescribe in the public interest or for the protection of investors or to maintain fair and orderly markets--

as necessary or appropriate to carry out this subsection; or

as reasonably designed to prevent fraudulent, deceptive, or manipulative acts and practices with respect to penny stocks.

Limitations on State Law.--

Capital, margin, books and records, bonding, and reports.--No law, rule, regulation, or order, or other administrative action of any State or political subdivision thereof shall establish capital, custody, margin, financial responsibility, making and keeping records, bonding, or financial or operational reporting requirements for brokers, dealers, municipal securities dealers, government securities brokers, or government securities dealers that differ from, or are in addition to, the requirements in those areas established under this title. The Commission shall consult periodically the securities commissions (or any agency or office performing like functions) of the States concerning the adequacy of such requirements as established under this title.

De minimis transactions by associated persons.--No law, rule, regulation, or order, or other administrative action of any State or political subdivision thereof may prohibit an associated person of a broker or dealer from affecting a transaction described in paragraph (3) for a customer in such State if--

such associated person is not ineligible to register with such State for any reason other than such a transaction;

such associated person is registered with a registered securities association and at least one State; and

the broker or dealer with which such person is associated is registered with such State.

Described transactions.--

In general.--A transaction is described in this paragraph if--

such transaction is effected--

on behalf of a customer that, for 30 days prior to the day of the transaction, maintained an account with the broker or dealer; and

by an associated person of the broker or dealer--

(aa) to which the customer was assigned for 14 days prior to the day of the transaction; and

(bb) who is registered with a State in which the customer was a resident or was present for at least 30 consecutive days during the 1-year period prior to the day of the transaction;
the transaction is effected--

on behalf of a customer that, for 30 days prior to the day of the transaction, maintains an account with the broker or dealer; and

during the period beginning on the date on which such associated person files an application for registration with the State in which the transaction is effected and ending on the earlier of--

(aa) 60 days after the date on which the application is filed; or

(bb) the date on which such State notifies the associated person that has denied the application for registration or has stayed the pendency of the application for cause.

Rules of construction.--For purposes of subparagraph (A)(i)(II)--

each of up to 3 associated persons of a broker or dealer who are designated to effect transactions during the absence or unavailability of the principal associated person for a customer may be treated as an associated person to which such customer is assigned; and

if the customer is present in another State for 30 or more consecutive days or has permanently changed his or her residence to another State, a transaction is not described in this paragraph, unless the association person of the broker or dealer files an application for registration with such State not later than 10 business days after the later of the date of the transaction, or the date of discovery of the presence of the customer in the other State for 30 or more consecutive days or the change in the customer's residence.
law.uc.edu



To: Bag of Pucks who wrote (136)11/17/2001 4:34:14 PM
From: Venditâ„¢  Respond to of 1003
 
Edit: Paired down version of the below information>>>

General Rules and Regulations
promulgated
under the
Securities Exchange Act of 1934

Rule 10b-1 -- Prohibition of Use of Manipulative or Deceptive Devices or Contrivances with Respect to Certain Securities Exempted from Registration
------------------------------------------------------------

The term manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance, as used in section 10(b), is hereby defined to include any act or omission to act with respect to any security exempted from the operation of section 12(a) pursuant to any section in this part which specifically provides that this section shall be applicable to such security if such act or omission to act would have been unlawful under section 9(a), or any rule or regulation heretofore or hereafter prescribed thereunder, if done or omitted to be done with respect to a security registered on a national securities exchange, and the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce or of the mails or of any facility of any national securities exchange to use or employ any such device or contrivance in connection with the purchase or sale of any such security is hereby prohibited.
law.uc.edu

Rule 10b-3 -- Employment of Manipulative and Deceptive Devices by Brokers or Dealers
------------------------------------------------------------

It shall be unlawful for any broker or dealer, directly or indirectly, by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce, or of the mails, or of any facility of any national securities exchange, to use or employ, in connection with the purchase or sale of any security otherwise than on a national securities exchange, any act, practice, or course of business defined by the Commission to be included within the term "manipulative, deceptive, or other fraudulent device or contrivance", as such term is used in section 15(c) of the act.

It shall be unlawful for any municipal securities dealer directly or indirectly, by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce, or of the mails, or of any facility of any national securities exchange, to use or employ, in connection with the purchase or sale of any municipal security, any act, practice, or course of business defined by the Commission to be included within the term "manipulative, deceptive, or other fraudulent device or contrivance," as such term is used in section 15(c)(1) of the act.
law.uc.edu

Section 15(c)
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To: Bag of Pucks who wrote (136)11/26/2001 3:11:44 AM
From: mitchjohnston  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1003
 
TheLion message boards i'm using it on SmartMoney.com.

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