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To: Mani1 who wrote (269)	11/19/2001 1:04:35 AM
From: mr_stevenson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 758

Mani: ++It seems that you are guilty of what you warned against, "pick-and-choose". There are many verses in Koran that preaches peace and tolerance. Yet, you choose to only argue with the parts that make your point. We are talking about an entire faith. In my view to believe in a faith one should ask whether the faith promotes love or hate. A faith - again in my view - should not promote hate - not even mentioning it. Let me give you an analogy. In addition to my day job I am also a stock trader. When looking at a stock, I always look for reasons not to buy that stock instead of reasons for buying it. If I can not find any reasons for not buying it, then I go ahead and buy. This method is different than buying a stock simply by just looking at the reasons that encourage buying that stock. My almost 30 years experience in trading has proven that if you buy a stock without looking at reasons for 'NOT' buying it, it will painfully be damaging to you. The same logic applies to following a faith. In a humanistic framework a faith should only be based on love and peace, without promoting killings, destruction, and dominating one another. ++You are incorrect in this matter. Just because it did not make it to CNN, it does not mean it did not happen. Religious leader in the Friday's prayer, in mosque across the world condemn the attack, Bin Laden and everything he stands for. I know this from several people first hand. Have you been in any of the Friday prayers in Iran, or Syria, or Algeria, or Indonesia, or Egypt, or even Turkey? I have been. I do travel in many Middle Eastern and African countries because of the business I am in. I can tell you one thing for sure - not one single clergy is condemning the thugs and murderers in Afghanistan. In fact their slogan of Death to America is louder than ever! I think you have been in the U.S for too long. The Friday prayers in the U.S are not even close to the Friday prayers you see in places like Iran, Indonesia, Egypt, etc. etc. Incidentally most of the Moslems live in those countries and not in the U.S. ++++My point had nothing to do with the context and who wrote it. It was merely an example of how the same text can be interpreted to meet the flavor of the day. And with all due respect you missed my point. The text of the U.S constitution was not being misinterpreted. It was simply being ignored. U.S constitution never talks about slavery. It was not a matter of misinterpretation to meet the flavor of the day. It was simply being ignored. On the other hand Quran does promote violence, and killings; And some people apparently are following those teachings. There is no misinterpretation here. People are simply picking-and-choosing to follow certain teachings. There is a big difference between following something than misinterpreting it! once again, a faith - in a humanistic term - should not even discuss the notion of killings and destruction (let alone encourage and promote it). +++I have read Koran, cover to cover, twice. It is harder to read than Shakespeare was in high school. Scripture is awfully archaic and extremely difficult to understand, even for an expert in Arabic literature. When you look up some of the words in dictionary, it gets even more confusing. I have discussed some parts of Koran with some scholars, and even they are not sure what some parts of it is saying. The word of God should not be that complicated! What type of faith is Islam that its teachings are so complicated for its followers to understand?!! Then what are they following?! If Quran is so hard to understand, then how on earth Moslems are supposed to behave? They all say they believe in Quran and consider that to be the foundation of Islam - and yet you (and my good friend Mr. Alsuezi) seem to imply that it is hard to understand and read! At least you have read it, most have not (e.g. Mr. Alsuezi who incidentally is a strong defender of Islam). So are all Moslems following something blindly without knowing what it is? Perhaps that is the reason so many egomaniac and thugs can claim to be religious leaders of Islam (e.g. Mullah Omar, Khomeini, etc. etc.), by simply implying that they know what Quran says! There is a saying In a land of blind, the one who “CLAIMS” to have even one eye is indeed the King! Anyway, (and again as I pointed out in my previous post to you), since you have read Quran from the beginning to the end “twice”, perhaps you can provide some intelligent logical response to the following posts: Message 16654287 Message 16654298 Message 16583729 Sincerely, Mr. S. Stevenson