To: didjuneau who wrote (10833 ) 11/19/2001 11:05:55 PM From: tfrugal Read Replies (1) | Respond to O Happy Day, I agree with You as far as the oil not being the prime mover of events leading up to 9-11, but how did we get back to Clinton? He has a valid point, and it is not "about accepting responsibility for terrorist evil, because of anything anybody's forefathers did, because we are long beyond that and we are a different people", but that the examples/precedents from our own past undermine our moral authority. The US simply does not have that good of a record, especially with morality. Consider how we treated the american aborigines. We signed treaties when we were weak, broke them when we were strong. The treaty that we signed agreeing not to cross the Appalachian mountains couldn't have been agreed to in good faith. Research Tecumseh vs Harrison, read their words---the good guy lost. I say that as a American citizen, and as a resident of Indiana. Somebody lied, cheated and killed for gain, and we ain't talkin' about commies. Notice the origin of my state's name. How about the names of the surrounding states? Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois-- care to estimate the percentage of speakers of the languages represented in those names in those states? Try reading up on the trail of tears, the southern tribes ran plantations more efficiently than the whites, who had them removed. If you can't beat em, ship em out west. The documentation is there, and damning. My own lineage claims to have Choctaw in it. Turned out that during the shell game played to take most of Oklahoma BACK from the transplanted "injuns", settlers could acquire the Indian's titles. Poof, instant indians. I think it was this and a few "uncles" (think Crowbar in "Ma and Pa Kettle" flicks) that left that immpression on my pale, blue eyed Scotch-Irish romantic grandmother. I wonder if the folks on the rez TODAY can tell the difference between a reservation and a concentration camp. Explain to me the morality of the Louisiana Purchase. We paid Napoleon for the west? Contrast "westward ho" with "liebenstraum", other than the century attempted, what is the difference? How about Israeli settlers and American pioneers? Or South Africa's aparteid? Little House on the prairie with the Israeli settlements?
