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To: Win Smith who wrote (148875)	11/19/2001 8:58:52 PM
From: muzosi	Respond to of 186894

go read the latest jsscc & isscc proceedings about the p4 design and decide for yourself if intel is not doing a full-custom design. all indications are that for a very large portion of the design intel is pushing each transistor polygon by hand (except memory of course a small portion of which is designed by hand and then replicated).

To: Win Smith who wrote (148875)	11/19/2001 9:11:47 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

Win, <FUD or complete cluelessness? I doubt if anybody has done a "layout the chip by hand" job on a major microprocessor since the original MC68000.> Before you continue on with your juvenile retorts, you should know that the K7 design guys did indeed layout the chip by hand. This was revealed during the Dirk Meyer dinner presentation around May or June of 1999, as well as a Fred Weber presentation at MIT made months later. In the face of the trend toward further automation, the methodology was considered to be very unconventional. But obviously it succeeded. It is unknown whether AMD is continuing to use hand-layout or not, especially with Hammer. I wouldn't doubt it, considering how the Hammer design borrows heavily from the original K7. Tenchusatsu